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Backup for NAS

2021-03-10 by: Jonathan Calloway
From: Jonathan Calloway 


I currently use Amazon Photos to back up the photos folder on my QNAP =
NAS.  However, due to changes Amazon is making, I will have to change =
providers. I=E2=80=99m thinking through all the usual provisos, =
including cost per gig for uploading as well as cost per gig for =
downloading and also the time it will take for downloads + restores.  =
I=E2=80=99m convinced that there are services that would be cheaper and =
better than others.  Here is a list of what I=E2=80=99m =E2=80=9Cboiled=E2=
=80=9D it down to at the moment:

1. AWS S3 or Glacier
2. GCP / Google (something)
3. Azure
4. Backblaze
5. Wassabe
6. Digital Ocean

What would be your choice and why?



=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ er and =3D 0=3D9Cboiled=3DE2=3D I use cheap storage VPS units to back up my data. I pay an annual fee, I never come close to my allocated bandwidth, and I can restore faster by 2 digit factors than Glacier. They named it appropriately, restores move like literal glaciers. I have two providers for every backup set, so if one of them flakes, I can go find another. knock on wood, I have not had to find another in about 3 years. Cheers, -Dave

=============================================================== From: James Bertelson ------------------------------------------------------ I just recently finished overhauling my nas using ZFS on Linux and ended up u= sing borg to backup data from the main array to a single local USB drive. Th= en I use rclone to sync changes on the compressed and deduplicated borg back= ups (~2.1TB at present - thanks EPB) to Wasabi. Hard to beat their pricing f= rom what I could find and it=E2=80=99s s3 compatible so it works with lots o= f solutions.=20 Tangent: I mostly do MS stuff at work so I originally set this hardware up u= sing server 2019 and Windows Storage Spaces. It corrupted the file system in= less than 6 months. Never again. Thank $DEITY for backups.=20 Sent from a mobile device nd =3D 9Cboiled=3DE2=3D

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ Wasabi does have some solid pricing. I haven't kicked their tires yet, but they are only ~$20 more a year than the VPS solutions I use. Have you used them for restoration yet? Curious what the egress speeds look like in real world use. You must not have learned your lessons on NT/2K Software RAID to attempt Storage Spaces :) Cheers, -Dave d up u=3D e. Th=3D back=3D ing f=3D with lots o=3D up u=3D em in=3D =3D3D =3D3D isos, =3D3D =3D3D e cheaper a=3D 3DE2=3D3D80=3D3D=3D

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Backblaze B2 seems cheaper than wasabi. 1 TB of storage on B2 will be about $5 per month if you don=E2=80=99t count any ingress or egress. B2 has= decent pricing on those like every other provider. For 1TB of storage on wasabi you=E2=80=99re looking at 5.99 month. I can=E2=80=99t find if wasabi has any ingress or egress charges or any oth= er transaction costs. d with isos, e

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ Wasabi plainly states they do not charge for egress or API calls. Cheers, -Dave l be has other ires yet, =A0 Have eeds look s on NT/2K d B d r works e 20 to l =3D3D ould be =3D3D99m

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ But that=E2=80=99s only up to the amount you have stored. For example of y= ou have 10TB you are allowed 10TB of egress for free. They=E2=80=99re very confusin= g on their transactions charges. has other d B d r works e l ould be 99m

=============================================================== From: James Bertelson ------------------------------------------------------ I got about 300mbps down when I restored from wasabi after the MS fiasco. Be= tter than expected. I do not know for sure if my local storage was the bottl= eneck but it seems possible (6x3TB 7200s in raid10.) Also love no additional= fees for reasonable ingress/egress. I cut my sysadmin teeth on server 2003 machines but we dealt with unreliable= *hardware* raid. Thought the wailing and gnashing of teeth over lost data m= ust have been tales of old. Nope.=20 Curious what storage vps providers you might recommend? Had one years ago u= ntil the provider went belly up, but a second backup sounds good after reali= zing the only copy of my photo archives was my offsite. =E2=80=9C2 is 1 and 1= is none.=E2=80=9D Sent from a mobile device s yet, p u=3D Th=3D ack=3D g f=3D th lots o=3D p u=3D in=3D 3D 3D os, =3D3D 3D heaper a=3D DE2=3D3D80=3D3D=3D

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Again wasabi pricing seems confusing https://wasabi-support.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002977971-I-m-seein= g-Data-Transfer-Out-charges-on-my-bill-what-do-they-mean- And there=E2=80=99s no mention of what it will costs if you go beyond what = they consider =E2=80=9Cunreasonable =E2=80=9C egress. Which is also vague as cra= p https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/pricing-faqs/ you have ing on 2 has y other nd SB ed ir works le y al r would be D99m

=============================================================== From: James Bertelson ------------------------------------------------------ My experience was that I was able to transfer in 2TB of data with no fees, k= eep it up to date, then transfer all of that data out a few months later wit= h no fees. I=E2=80=99m not sure if I had to restore again this month what wo= uld happen. Knock on wood I won=E2=80=99t have to find out.=20 Sent from a mobile device ng-Data-Transfer-Out-charges-on-my-bill-what-do-they-mean- they consider =E2=80=9Cunreasonable =E2=80=9C egress. Which is also vague a= s crap you have 10TB you are allowed 10TB of egress for free. They=E2=80=99re very= confusing on their transactions charges.=20 : 2 has y other yet, ave look NT/2K nd SB ed ir works le y al r =3D3D ould be D99m

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ eeing-Data-Transfer-Out-charges-on-my-bill-what-do-they-mean- =46rom the above link: "* This applies to subscribers that are on a legacy pricing plan (a paid egress pricing plan is not currently available to new subscribers)" Cheers, -Dave

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ I staged a NAS at my parents and my home NAS syncs diffs with it weekly as well as does a hile hash check once a month to ensure integrity, it grabs all my VMs, Media, etc off my home FreeNAS box.

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ I keep threatening to move to Glacier or something like it, but I don't have a whole lot of data right now, and since I started with Amazon's S3, but have been moving things to Scaleway's S3 and right now it's cheap enough that I'm just sticking with that: https://www.scaleway.com/en/object-storage/

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ All their datacenters are in Europe? --b ve a whole lot of data right now, and since I started with Amazon's S3, but h= ave been moving things to Scaleway's S3 and right now it's cheap enough that= I'm just sticking with that:

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ Yep. So a little more latency. But if I'm protecting against natural disasters or political unrest, having things outside the country: Good. Dan

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ My personal and internal company backups have targets in the UK in addition to one in the US. We offer it as an option for client backups. Cheers, -Dave