RE: CentOS shifting to CentOS Stream

From: don@coastlandtech.com
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From: Bret McHone =20
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 12:10 PM
To: don@coastlandtech.com
Subject: Re: [chugalug] CentOS shifting to CentOS Stream

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My employer is a pretty heavy CentOS shop so they are looking at it very =
closely. I don't think from the current discussions going on that most =
are in favor of Stream and would probably look to Rocky Linux.=20

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It's reminiscent of Oracle's move with Java.=20

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-B

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On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 11:45 AM David White  wrote:

Several of you have probably already read the announcement.

Earlier this week, CentOS announced that they are shifting the focus of =
the project entirely over to CentOS Stream. In effect, that means that =
CentOS as we know it is going away.

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See https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ for the =
full announcement.

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Frankly, I'm surprised that no one has brought it up on this distro list =
yet. :)

I might ramble a little bit here. There's been a pretty lively =
discussion going on in a different mailing list I'm a part of, so I'll =
post here an edited version of what I posted over there while trying to =
still make some sense.=20

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I'm interested in you all's take.

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Here is a post that I read which is in favor of Red Hat switching to =
Stream.
https://jperrin.org/blog/thoughts-on-stream/

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And here is a post I read which is not in favor of the switch:

https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/centos-linux-8-will-end-in-2021-and-=
shifts-focus-to-centos-stream/

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I follow Cyberctl on Twitter, and there was / is a pretty interesting =
discussion going on (which I was slightly a part of), on the topic:
https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/1336348208184741888

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My perspective:

I really think Red Hat / IBM is shooting themselves in the foot. I would =
likely move my stuff (that is not already off of CentOS). On a side =
tangent, this is slightly frustrating for me, because I've spent a lot =
of time recently studying for the RHCSA exam, and I hope to take it in =
January. I feel like all of the Red Hat exams will be devalued, if there =
is indeed the mass exodus that I'm sort of expecting to see at this =
point.=20

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I've personally been very frustrated with how slow it takes Red Hat to =
patch some CVEs. I've also experienced (at least one) customer who =
failed PCI compliance audits, and I confirmed that there were CVEs that =
were years old that Red Hat just didn't patch, and didn't care about. As =
soon as I switched that customer to the latest version of Ubuntu with =
some crafty `ufw` firewall rules for ssh, the PCI audit passed.=20

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This looks interesting: https://rockylinux.org/

It was spun off within days of the announcement, and one of the original =
CentOS co-founders is helping to head up this new Rocky Linux project.

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David White