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"Clear linux"

2020-02-09 by: meuon@cybrmall.com
From: meuon@cybrmall.com
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I saw this: https://www.techradar.com/news/intel-clear-linux-is-a-distro-=
that-outperforms-windows-10-and-ubuntu-on-cheap-amd-hardware (https://www=
.techradar.com/news/intel-clear-linux-is-a-distro-that-outperforms-window=
s-10-and-ubuntu-on-cheap-amd-hardware)=0A=0AWhich made me go looking. htt=
ps://clearlinux.org/ (https://clearlinux.org/)=0A=0ABut when I saw: Clear=
 Linux OS is pleased to announce that our cloud-native-basic bundle is no=
w certified conformant with Kubernetes v1.16=0A=0AApparently an Intel spo=
nsored project, but runs awesome on AMD64 as well. =0A=0ASharing just bec=
ause it was interesting and maybe something to chat about?

=============================================================== From: Wil Wade ------------------------------------------------------ I tried it recently on my laptop. It lasted about one hour. It was really unstable, which is opposite of its stated best parts about it!

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ They were the start of =E2=80=9Cclear containers=E2=80=9D which is basically= =E2=80=9Crun a small VM so you run a container inside it and have it all co= ntroller and treated like a container by the k8s.=E2=80=9D It=E2=80=99s now called =E2=80=9Ckata containers.=E2=80=9D So the use cases around this are: a) run a container that needs a specific kernel to run (legacy or really new= code that was built outside documented api=E2=80=99s or uses deprecated one= s). Or maybe you just need newer kernel features, but kata containers don=E2= =80=99t really offer new hardware enablement, so there=E2=80=99s that. b) run a container that=E2=80=99s really untrusted, to the point that you ne= ed an extra layer of separation that only a VM can do, and yet still treat t= he whole thing as a container. And this is also a good time to talk about Container Native Virtualization (= CNV). So this is essentially kvm (libvirt) with k8s wrappers, so you can run= VMs as containers. They are still VMs just like you know them, except they a= re treated as a container for purposes of k8s scheduling and resource alloca= tion. So it=E2=80=99s a VM that you can create and retire using Kubernetes API cal= ls. Just another way to run a workload. --b hat-outperforms-windows-10-and-ubuntu-on-cheap-amd-hardware e-basic bundle is now certified conformant with Kubernetes v1.16

=============================================================== From: mike@cybrmall.com ------------------------------------------------------ Stability is why I started using Linux a long long time ago. It IS import= ant.=0A=0ADigressing: =0AI've become the grumpy old skool Debian guy. I'l= l put Linux Mint w/Cinnamon on various desktops at work for normal people= , partially because Phil likes and uses it, and I like it enough. If I pu= t "plank" ( a small dock) on a bare clean machine with a terminal, firefo= x, chrome, vlc, gimp.. I can't tell if I'm on my Mac, or one of my Linux = systems. For my desktop usage, it doesn't matter. On servers and devices:= Debian except for a few odd VoIP things. In which case Ubuntu's been the= only way I can get T38FAX to work well. Some bizarre dependencies. As I = rebuild/upgrade some things at work, I think everything but the fax serve= rs will go straight Debian. One of my reasons is Debian support for ARM. = Both at ring-u and for some personal projects, got a few (< 1k though) AR= M boxen running, It also seems to change less that whatever new kick Ubun= tu is on this year. =0A=0AIf Debian means I gotta re-build/re-install ser= vers every 2-3 years, that also means I have to make sure the code/system= s stay maintainable and re-installable on new systems. Not always a bad t= hing. And as Dave Brockman reminded me/us: There is also an LTS support o= ption.. =0AFebruary 9, 2020 9:05 AM, "Wil Wade" wrote:=0AI tried it recently on my laptop. It lasted about one hour. It= was really unstable, which is opposite of its stated best parts about it= ! =0AOn Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 7:49 PM wrote: =0AI saw this: https://www.techradar.com/news/intel-clea= r-linux-is-a-distro-that-outperforms-windows-10-and-ubuntu-on-cheap-amd-h= ardware (https://www.techradar.com/news/intel-clear-linux-is-a-distro-tha= t-outperforms-windows-10-and-ubuntu-on-cheap-amd-hardware)=0A=0AWhich mad= e me go looking. https://clearlinux.org/ (https://clearlinux.org/)

=============================================================== From: mike@cybrmall.com ------------------------------------------------------ That's a better explanation of "why" then their own website (unless you p= asted from somewhere I didn't see . ;). =0A=0AAnd thanks for being chatty= . It helps me tweak/test the list. =0AFebruary 9, 2020 10:05 AM, "Billy" = wrote:=0AThey were the start of =E2=80=9Cclear containers=E2= =80=9D which is basically =E2=80=9Crun a small VM so you run a container = inside it and have it all controller and treated like a container by the = k8s.=E2=80=9D=0A=0AIt=E2=80=99s now called =E2=80=9Ckata containers.=E2= =80=9D=0A=0ASo the use cases around this are:=0A=0Aa) run a container tha= t needs a specific kernel to run (legacy or really new code that was buil= t outside documented api=E2=80=99s or uses deprecated ones). Or maybe you= just need newer kernel features, but kata containers don=E2=80=99t reall= y offer new hardware enablement, so there=E2=80=99s that.=0A=0Ab) run a c= ontainer that=E2=80=99s really untrusted, to the point that you need an e= xtra layer of separation that only a VM can do, and yet still treat the w= hole thing as a container.=0A=0AAnd this is also a good time to talk abou= t Container Native Virtualization (CNV). So this is essentially kvm (libv= irt) with k8s wrappers, so you can run VMs as containers. They are still = VMs just like you know them, except they are treated as a container for p= urposes of k8s scheduling and resource allocation.=0A=0ASo it=E2=80=99s a= VM that you can create and retire using Kubernetes API calls.=0A=0AJust = another way to run a workload.=0A --b

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ Hmm? I wonder if this would be useful for automated testing. Say the VM is Windows Server that runs some windows app (SQL Server) generating a specific workload on a SAN product one is testing? We could use k8s apps instead of puppet/chef. lly =E2=80=9Crun a small d ed ones). =80=99t need an n ce calls. orms-windows-10-and-ubuntu-on-cheap-amd-hardware 16 ?

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ I am also a Debian snob, but I've really loved ParrotOS lately (its a debian port)

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ I think that=E2=80=99d be a great use case. A little automation pipeline to build the stack, then tell k8s to fire up a s= uit of VMs to run your integration tests, and then retire them. Ofc, this is all stuff OpenStack has been doing for years. There=E2=80=99s a= slight nuance here though. OpenStack workloads are VM centric, where as Kubernetes workloads are pod ce= ntric, which a pod is its most generic form a container (or collection of ti= ghtly coupled containers). If your business is barreling down the container highway (which for density a= nd better code deployment makes sense), then maybe treating your VMs as cont= ainers makes sense since that=E2=80=99s what you=E2=80=99re focusing on anyw= ays. If your business is still married to VM workloads, then maybe OpenStack nigh= t still be of some use?=20 --b Windows Server that runs some windows app (SQL Server) generating a specifi= c workload on a SAN product one is testing? We could use k8s apps instead of= puppet/chef.

=============================================================== From: Joel ------------------------------------------------------ Le 9 févr. 2020 09:25, mike@cybrmall.com a écrit : > > Stability is why I started using Linux a long long time ago. It IS important. > Exactly why I run Debian stable on my laptop: I want stability so I can get my work done.