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SNAP Curious

2019-01-06 by: Michael Harrison
From: Michael Harrison 
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Am just exploring some strange ideas, and playing with a couple of =
Ubuntu 18.04 instances which has me bumping into =E2=80=9Csnaps=E2=80=9D.=20=


https://snapcraft.io 

Are any of ya=E2=80=99ll using them as a =E2=80=9Cconsumer=E2=80=9D.=20

Are any of ya=E2=80=99ll creating snap=E2=80=99s ?=20

I=E2=80=99m trying to figure out why, for example, I would install VLC =
from a =E2=80=9Csnap=E2=80=9D rather than: apt-get install vlc=E2=80=A6=20=


=E2=80=94Mike--

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=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ I haven't heard of this, but it sounds like a great idea. Not everyone uses Debian-based distros, like you, and having support for other distros is a positive thing. I personally had bad first experiences with Debian and Ubuntu. Turned me off on them almost forever. " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we=E2=80=99re al= l damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area) On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 6:00 AM Michael Harrison wrote: om a

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=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ oh no... not another layer of abstraction ________________________________ From: Chugalug on behalf of Michael Harriso= n Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 9:00 AM To: Cha. Unix Gnu Android Linux User Group Subject: [Chugalug] SNAP Curious Am just exploring some strange ideas, and playing with a couple of Ubuntu 1= 8.04 instances which has me bumping into =93snaps=94. https://snapcraft.io Are any of ya=92ll using them as a =93consumer=94. Are any of ya=92ll creating snap=92s ? I=92m trying to figure out why, for example, I would install VLC from a =93= snap=94 rather than: apt-get install vlc=85 =97Mike-- X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KQ2h1Z2FsdWcg bWFpbGluZyBsaXN0CkNodWdhbHVnQGNodWdhbHVnLm9yZwpodHRwOi8vY2h1Z2FsdWcub3JnL2Nn aS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9jaHVnYWx1Zwo=

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Ed I figured you would be thrilled with us moving back to mainframe days. Pr= etty much everything is heading towards containers these days. -Aaron This was sent from my iPhone, so I apologize for any brevity or spelling err= ors. Siri also hates the southern accent and autocorrect is on a mission to g= ive me an aneurysm. on 8.04 instances which has me bumping into =E2=80=9Csnaps=E2=80=9D.=20 m a =E2=80=9Csnap=E2=80=9D rather than: apt-get install vlc=E2=80=A6=20

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ I wont be thrilled until I get a COBOL container with a tape drive and gree= n phosphor terminal ________________________________ From: Chugalug on behalf of Aaron welch Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 8:39 AM To: Cha. Unix Gnu Android Linux User Group Subject: Re: [Chugalug] SNAP Curious Ed I figured you would be thrilled with us moving back to mainframe days. P= retty much everything is heading towards containers these days. -Aaron This was sent from my iPhone, so I apologize for any brevity or spelling er= rors. Siri also hates the southern accent and autocorrect is on a mission t= o give me an aneurysm. oh no... not another layer of abstraction ________________________________ From: Chugalug on behalf of Michael Harrison Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 9:00 AM To: Cha. Unix Gnu Android Linux User Group Subject: [Chugalug] SNAP Curious Am just exploring some strange ideas, and playing with a couple of Ubuntu 1= 8.04 instances which has me bumping into =93snaps=94. https://snapcraft.io Are any of ya=92ll using them as a =93consumer=94. Are any of ya=92ll creating snap=92s ? I=92m trying to figure out why, for example, I would install VLC from a =93= snap=94 rather than: apt-get install vlc=85 =97Mike--

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Laughing. Yeah, not sure it goes that deep. Like you, I have issues with the abstraction layers, but I have a product that I've been asked to make an ISO and/or VM-Images of.. and the SNAP/Docker concept is interesting as an alternative. What I didn't see was a bunch of Chugalug crazies going: I LOVE MY SNAP's.. Of course, Ginger Snaps are still awesome. My old geeky thought: The "container" concept is thriving because so many developers and "devops" people don't understand the inner workings of things, they want "lego blocks" they can snap together to build stuff. My fear: Those blocks essentially freeze code/libraries from being upgraded and present a huge liability as they get stacked upon. But then, abstractly, so is a bare metal "traditional" OS and system. X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KQ2h1Z2FsdWcg bWFpbGluZyBsaXN0CkNodWdhbHVnQGNodWdhbHVnLm9yZwpodHRwOi8vY2h1Z2FsdWcub3JnL2Nn aS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9jaHVnYWx1Zwo=

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Needs more Fallout tech

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I use snaps *a lot*. Very convenient. If a vendor provides snap packages then I tend to gravitate towards those rather than a deb package. Much easier to install and deal with. On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 9:00 AM Michael Harrison wrote: om a

=============================================================== From: Michael Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I haven=E2=80=99t installed any non-base snaps, yet. Any general purpose = snap (not very specific to a project you are working on) you=E2=80=99d = recommend trying? Been so busy building the new ring-u offices, I=E2=80=99m kinda jonesing = chilling and exploring some tech... If a vendor provides snap packages then I tend to gravitate towards = those rather than a deb package. Much easier to install and deal with. X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KQ2h1Z2FsdWcg bWFpbGluZyBsaXN0CkNodWdhbHVnQGNodWdhbHVnLm9yZwpodHRwOi8vY2h1Z2FsdWcub3JnL2Nn aS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9jaHVnYWx1Zwo=

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ Snap packages I use day to day: Datagrip (JetBrains tool for working with databases), slack, chromium, and insomnia. I did have the snap for KeePassXC installed briefly, but I had issues with it and my yubikey so switched back to the non-snap version. On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 7:24 PM Michael Harrison wrote: snap (not ying? chilling