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Debian again

2018-05-29 by: Mike Harrison
From: Mike Harrison 
I have been using Debian/Armbian on some devices and minimal machines 
(CLI only or LXDE) and while a few differences were frustrating (ip addr 
instead of ifconfig for example), I was mostly impressed with how well 
it "just worked". Then I installed Debian (9.4 aka stretch) using LXDE 
on a dual-core Lenovo T400. Again, it worked mostly like I expected. 
Which is kinda old-skool linux interface.

Then I screwed up my primary work/dev system (Elementary Linux) which 
was pretty, but had some weird quirks at times. So I installed Debian 
(9.4/Stretch) with Cinnamon (nice machine with a 4k screen) and with a 
few tweaks. I think I'm in a pretty happy place.  Mods:

Installed "plank" for a pop-up dock at the bottom center after moving 
the main panel to the top.

Installed "lxterminal" for a nice tabbed terminal. (I'd gotten used to 
tabs.. useful when keeping lots of shells open different places)

Relearning Thunderbird for email. It's seen some love from Mozilla 
recently, and while still an old school email client in many ways, has 
had some polish and updating since I last tried it for real.

Turned off the "window tiling and snapping"

Unexpected: MTP support for my old android (Samsung S6 active) phone 
"just worked". Plugging in a 2nd monitor "just worked". The GUI file 
manager is sane,

So far.. pretty darn pleased with straight Debian for a work machine.

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=============================================================== From: kitepilot@kitepilot.com ------------------------------------------------------ How do you use a CLI? They don't have a non-GUI live image anymore. And then there is the systemd crap... :( Devuan hasn't done a lot of progress either. As it is I ditched Debian, and I can't find anything to fill the vacuum... :( Rats... ET Mike Harrison writes:

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ On my GUI desktop, mostly using "lxterminal" both locally and SSH'd into remote boxen. Armbian install on the ARM devices is pretty bare, no GUI. and on a desktop/server, pretty easy to turn off or remove the GUI. Again: my usage was as a primary desktop. but you can do a traditional text install:   https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/debian-minimal-server/ So far, in my usage, systemd has been a "not an issue" as I haven't experienced a problem with it. Biggest "oh shit" so far was I (while playing around) enabled desktop zoom, and learned the hard way that alt-mouse scroll zoomed my desktop. Oh, and ctrl-++/ctrl--- isn't zooming my terminal, but works in my web browser. I'll figure that out.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ r To be fair, ip has deprecated ifconfig for... nearly a decade? ifconfig was just included for convenience, and you can still install it, I believe it is in the net-tools package. But, you really should learn the ip command by now :) Regards, dtb X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KQ2h1Z2FsdWcg bWFpbGluZyBsaXN0CkNodWdhbHVnQGNodWdhbHVnLm9yZwpodHRwOi8vY2h1Z2FsdWcub3JnL2Nn aS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9jaHVnYWx1Zwo=

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, when I go through these evolutions, I put some effort into relearning. Funny thing, when I saw the “route” command missing, I did “netstat -r” by instinct. So much has changed, and become the old same again.