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Security camera & POE recommendations, probably for Zoneminder

2018-03-05 by: Dan Lyke
From: Dan Lyke 
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We were burgled. I'm kicking myself for not having put up cameras years
ago. It's time. I'm thinking Zoneminder on my house server, and a bunch
of IP cameras.

I was kind of thinking one camera on either side of the house (the
person who entered apparently came through a back gate), one at the
front door, maybe one with a wider view of the street (we've also had a
drunk driving issue or two, a neighbor's fence has been hit twice).

I'm digging through Newegg for cameras with outdoor housings and I'm
seeing some reasonably well regarded TRENDnet POE cameras for about
$140 for a 2 pack. Although I'm also not sure how to deal with higher
resolution. There's a GW4037IP 2492x1920 camera at $96.

And maybe even a 5th in the back yard, though I could probably also
hook the Foscam camera I've got in the shop back up.

So, any suggestions for "just go buy this"? If I buy something POE,
what's a good 4 channel POE injector? (I currently use the Ubiquiti
APs, but that's apparently a proprietary POE)

Dan

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ I second the recommendation request. Non-Pro UBNT Access Points use a passive 24V PoE. Unifi or Edgeswitch switches support it. I tend to use Cisco SMB SG300-10[M|P]P for small PoE injection needs. --dtb X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KQ2h1Z2FsdWcg bWFpbGluZyBsaXN0CkNodWdhbHVnQGNodWdhbHVnLm9yZwpodHRwOi8vY2h1Z2FsdWcub3JnL2Nn aS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9jaHVnYWx1Zwo=

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I would also like to see some recommendations. Ive been looking for a better solution but there is so much crap out there. I have several of these YI Home cameras currently. (they werent as cheap when i purchased them) https://www.amazon.com/YI-Security-Detection-Monitor-Control/dp/B016F3M7OM/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1516821087&sr=8-8&keywords=yi+home+camera They have been "ok" nothing i could recommend. I was not able to get them working with zoneminder. only 720p etc. They make an out door enclosure for the nest cam that kinda works for it, doesnt fit perfectly but it gets the job done. (screws up the night vision though) They have a half baked desktop app for windows but the default way to view them is via the phone app. They offer cloud recording as well if you need offsite, i just use the internal SD card. They also only do wifi, so you will need a good signal in the area you plan to put them if you want the camera image to actually load heh. Honestly, im kinda doubting the 720p specs as its hard to make out faces or tag numbers from the video. I see they have 1080p now and a dedicated outdoor camera but i havnt used any of those. So there is what not to buy in case you were looking at them. haha.

=============================================================== From: Ashley Wilson ------------------------------------------------------ I use this: https://github.com/ashmastaflash/cam with: https://www.adafruit.com/product/3414?gclid=Cj0KCQiA-qDTBRD-ARIsAJ_10yJKf2lDUH_GOy6Z-DqnVO9qUa4FpPftUxT16UQ0wik3g1-PXODvTHYaAqJOEALw_wcB Pretty reliable, works over wifi, and there are PoE injectors/splitters that work well for the R-Pi. The camera ships all images (GPG-encrypted) to S3, so there's no DVR to be stolen.

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:36:43 -0800 Ashley Wilson wrote: So to that I'd need to add a network adapter? And a weather capable housing (which I can do, but it's a bit of work). Yeah, I can probably figure out how to get power to these things, though it'd be nice to do that with relatively low voltages, and I don't think a 20' USB cable is the right way to do that... Even with a camera pointed at the street, I can set up a cron job to clean out s3 occasionally. I suppose pictures are okay, given that they'll be way higher quality than the video.

=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ For whatever it may be worth, my local user group put on a presentation on this subject a couple years ago. Here are the slides the presenter used: http://pdxlinux.org/2016-02-16-ZoneMinder.pdf -wes

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:36:43 -0800 Ashley Wilson wrote: Doh, just realized possible problem with that: Not strong in the IR range, so I'd have to have some sort of lighting solution. Dan

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Less Open Source, but I manage the IT for a local auto shop in Atlanta, and we set them up with Nest Cameras, and there are PoE adapters you can get for them. We've been thoroughly impressed, and the price isn't terrible for their plans.

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 14:33:00 -0800 wes wrote: Thanks, a couple of good takeaways in there, so far that I was reminded about the value of IR, and that I've been meaning to check into Backblaze for a while, and this uses it, so I now have fewer excuses. Dan

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:36:43 -0800 Ashley Wilson wrote: I have ordered one of these and a conventional IR security camera (and a POE switch...), will evaluate and continue with one strategy or the other... May or may not involve Zoneminder in the mess, because the email or FTP stills may be sufficient.

=============================================================== From: Ashley Wilson ------------------------------------------------------ Let me know how it turns out for you. My only feedback is my own experience :-) It also works with other Pi devices, and probably the Odroid spectrum as well.

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:50:06 -0800 Ashley Wilson wrote: That's better than your average Amazon reviewer who is probably working in some Bangladesh sweatshop for the fly by night Chinese manufacturer... I may add some USB sensors to the device, but I like the idea of "buy this, put it in a housing, give it power" (I bought a couple of $7 POE to USB micro converters off of Alibaba to power it). Dan

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ My (limited) experience - my dad's house was being used by some folks (and they stole his tools, etc) for parties, etc. I put up some dummy cameras and they stopped breaking in. Cheap solution if it works. -- John Aldrich mrmaxx@nospammail.net

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 14:43:17 -0500 John Aldrich wrote: I've been threatening to put up some cameras for years, because we've had a few other neighborhood incidents where a neighbor's fence got broken in the middle of the night, probably a drunk driver, and it also might be nice to apply a little OpenCV to some imagery to catch speeders (though I don't know if anything I put up will have the resolution necessary to read license plates). So there are other reasons to put up real cameras. And: It's been 10 years that we've lived here without incident, so these things are statistically rare enough that it's hard to gauge deterrence.