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From: Unkmar 
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I prefer stability over new features.

Debian: (My favorite)
  I use the stable version, so it is always behind the times. The install
is incredibly versatile.  Easy to follow the guide for a once size fits all.
When you don't know what something means, just take recommended
or hit Enter.  If you want a light weight server, easy enough to figure out.
You wan't a very light weight install and then extremely minimal Desktop
enviroment, sort of like a ChromeBook. That is also pretty easy to do.
The default Desktop install is gnome3.  I've tried it, I mean seriously
tried it for over a month.  I hate it.  Seriously, I hate gnome3. I
currently
use LXDE. Wait, I'm getting side tracked.  Eh, I like Debian, everything
after that is me nitpicking packages and settings.

Red Hat:
  I used it so long ago I don't remember what it was like.

Mandrake: (Now Mandriva)
  My first experience with Linux that I can actually recall.
My thoughts at the time, Linux is almost ready to replace Windows on the
Desktop.  When they get it together and finish some things up, I'll switch.
(I didn't know. I thought of Linux as a smaller version of Microsoft but
split
up among a few groups. Maybe 5. I had no idea of the true scope of
GNU/Linux)

Ubuntu: (My first REAL use of Linux)
  It was and is great. I didn't like its instability so I moved to its
parent, Debian.
I still sometimes use a Live Ubuntu CD because Debian doesn't do that.
(A third party provides a Debian Live CD option that has never worked for
me.)

Suse:
  The install had a learning cliff, No curve.  I didn't get far enough to
evaluate
the actual distro.

Gentoo:
  I hate the long compile time for installing anything. I prefer to date
before marriage. That compile time feels like a serious commitment.

Puppy:
  Feels like a toy.  Honestly, it is a wonderful tool but the install feels
more
like an infection.  It is a light weight distro.  Has a light weight
install.
Has no method of making it fat even if you prefer a few bells and whistles.
You can't choose partition sizes or anything. (Puppy would make a great
recovery install for if something goes horribly wrong. Oh, wait!  Most
distros
already have that as a reasonable built in option. What was puppy for
again?)
Oh, It is a great small distro that boots into RAM from CD where you can
then remove the CD and use the drive to burn other CD's if you wish.
Many other tools available, That is just the one that stuck in my mind.

Red Hat:
  Um, just no!  My dislike of Red Hat has been strong enough for me to
effectively wipe my memory of exactly why.

Tiny Core:
  Oh great spaghetti monster.  Please take it back from where it came.
Um, it lives up to its name. It is Tiny and merely a Core.  You get to
struggle
for a few minutes to get networking so that you can download anything.
It has a quirky package management system (PMS) that you must learn
to in order to do anything. Here is a list of somethings don't get until you
use the PMS, web browser (GUI or CLI), partitioning tools.  Actually,
how about I list what you do get. The ability to move the mouse around,
point, click.  Possibly a CLI so you can run ls, head, cat, and more.
I'm pretty sure that less is missing until you PMS it.  I don't know if it
even has nano, pico, or vi without the PMS.  Seriously, it is a Tiny Core.

Derivatives: (I generally avoid them)
  Reasoning: Fixes to the problems lag behind the parent.
Find a problem, and a fix in the parent.  You constantly use the parent as
a guide on how to fix the child problems and sometimes that doesn't work.
Then you are left with a child that has the problem, can't find a fix
because
so few are using, reporting, and supporting the child. You are sort of left
out
in the cold.

Ubuntu Xenial

From: David White 
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Have any of you guys played with the Betas or RCs for Xenial? Looking at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus and
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule, it looks like the
final release is coming out tomorrow.

I've been recently thinking that it would be a good idea to do a backup of
all my data and go through a clean install of Ubuntu just to get things
fresh again.

Tomorrow might be the day to do it! :)

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Linux running on Win 10?

From: John Aldrich 
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Did anyone see this?
http://www.slashgear.com/windows-10-might-soon-run-ubuntu-linux-utilities-natively-30433935/
Almost seems like hell froze over. :)

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Ubuntu tablet now can be preodeed

From: Rod-Lists 
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http://www.engadget.com/2016/03/28/bq-ubuntu-tablet-pre-orders/

Interesting enough I just saw an ad for HP Elite x3 which is promising what Ubuntu is pushing,  a cell that can be used as a PC.
And of course it runs a microsoft OS

Did y'all notice that Ubuntu 1 Server code was opensourced?

From: Rod-Lists 
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Ars technica 8/11/15

Canonical gave up on operating its Ubuntu One cloud storage service more than a year ago, but this week it released the system's file-syncing code under an open source AGPLv3 license.

Though Canonical is primarily known for its open source Ubuntu operating system, it also has some closed source products and services, including Ubuntu One.

"Today, we’re happy to be open sourcing the biggest piece of our Ubuntu One file syncing service," Canonical Director of Online Services Martin Albisetti wrote. "The code we’re releasing is the server side of what desktop clients connected to when syncing local or remote changes. This is code where most of the innovation and hard work went throughout the years, where we faced most of the scaling challenges and the basis on which other components were built upon."
Canonical hopes the code will be "useful for developers to read through, fork into their own projects or pick out useful bits and pieces."

The code is available on Canonical's Launchpad, along with instructions on starting a server and client. There is more Ubuntu One "code related to the website, REST APIs, contacts and music streaming," which will also be released as open source at a later date.


http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/ubuntus-shuttered-cloud-storage-system-now-open-source/

Linux works really well for recording video book reviews

From: Phil Shapiro 
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Here's a book review I made this evening and posted to YouTube at 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZfiaYMx

Meizu PRO 5 Ubuntu Edition launches globally

From: Rod-Lists 
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So how does stack up as a phone?
"This elegantly designed device comes with a Samsung Exynos 7420 Octa-core processor. The Meizu PRO 5 sports a highly durable 5.7-inch 1920×1080 screen made with Corning® Gorilla® Glass 3 and the crystal clear AMOLED display screen "

https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/02/17/meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-edition-launches-globally/

Linode Deploys Servers with the Same SSH Key

From: David White 
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I know some of you guys use Linode (including me - for some of my stuff).
Fortunately, I don't use Ubuntu.

But this is serious stuff:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/linode-vps-host-accidentally-deploys-servers-with-the-same-ssh-key-500192.shtml

I'm quickly losing faith with these guys and may decide to migrate more of
my stuff off of them in the future...

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Ubuntu Tablet is supposed to show at tech show end Fed 2016

From: Rod-Lists 
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And it will run X apps as well as Ubuntu touch apps.

=?utf-8?q?=E2=80=8BWhere_would_we_be_without_Ubuntu=3F?=

From: Rod-Lists 
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SCOTTY I NEED MORE POWER FOR THE SHIELDS?!
-----------------------------
"For many in the Linux community, the topic of Ubuntu brings up ire and, in some cases, nothing short of rage. Why? On the surface it's easy to point to the likes of Unity and Mir as the primary reasons for the criticism and hatred. If you look deeper, however, I think it's much more complicated. I think Ubuntu faces this petulance because:

Many users hate that Ubuntu is a commercial product
Many "hard core" Linux users look at Ubuntu as "Linux lite"
Many don't see Canonical giving back enough to the open source community
I'm not here to negate those concerns (though I do not share them). Instead, I wanted to take a moment and imagine a world without Ubuntu. At first blush, one might think that world wouldn't change much from where it is now...there'd just be a different distribution in Ubuntu's place.

Or would there?

And therein lies the key to this line of thought."
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/where-would-we-be-without-ubuntu/

Upstart Help

From: asg 
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I=E2=80=99m working through this tutorial, =
https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-serve-flask-applic=
ations-with-uwsgi-and-nginx-on-ubuntu-14-04,  and I=E2=80=99m stuck on =
the Create an Upstart Script section. I=E2=80=99ve written the script =
but when I try to sudo start zkm, I get a generic Job Failed to Start =
message. I=E2=80=99ve looked in /var/log/upstart but there is not a log =
file for my service. I=E2=80=99ve added console output to the .conf file =
but it still only displays the generic message. I=E2=80=99ve also =
checked the .conf file syntax with init-checkconf and the syntax is ok. =
Are there any other log files to check or any other methods to find out =
what is causing the service to fail to start?

Here is the .conf file I=E2=80=99m working with.

description "uWSGI server instance configured to serve zkm."
console output

start on runlevel [2345]
stop on runlevel [!2345]

setuid www-data
setgid www-data

env PATH=3D/var/www/zkm
chdir /var/www/zkm
exec uwsgi --ini zkm.ini

Thanks,

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423.305.3700
stephen@averagesecurityguy.info




Headless VM Server

From: asg 
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I=E2=80=99m building a new VM server and want to try to use Ubuntu and =
KVM. Can anyone recommend a good web-based KVM manager?

Thanks,

--
Stephen Haywood
Owner: ASG Consulting
423.305.3700
stephen@averagesecurityguy.info




Automating Updates

From: Nick Smith 
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Hey Chugalugers!

Here is what im working with:
I have lots of SLES 11 and 12 machines and a couple Ubuntu and CentOs
machines and the "Other" OS I need to centrally manage and update.

I have to accomplish this with free tools, so tools like SUSE Manager and
SCCM are out of the question.

What I would like to have is a centralized place where i can kick off
updates across all my servers, I have SMT for SLES and WSUS for Windows, so
most of the updates are stored locally on the network and the servers are
configured to look at those servers for updates.

Im not a developer and dont play one on TV, so im hoping I can figure
something out without having to deep dive into Ruby or Python or whatever
Puppet and Chef are written with. One option ive found that looks promising
is SaltStack. Can this be accomplished with SaltStack? If so, is anyone
else doing this with good results? Configuration management would be nice,
but not the primary goal of this project. It would also be nice to get some
centralized reporting as to what servers havnt been updated or need to be
updated. TheForman looked interesting but it looked puppet heavy as well.
It doesnt look like Spacewalk (open source satellite) will do what i need,
or work with all the OS's i need it to.

Trying to automate the update process of all these servers and cut down on
the time needed for updates.

Not a huge environment, a little over 150 VMs, almost evenly split between
linux and windows.
What are you guys using to accomplish this?

Thanks for the suggestions.

-- 
--------------
Nick Smith
nick at nicksmith dot us

(Shameless Self Promotion) - Yard Sale Next Weekend

From: David White 
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*The way that this relates to Linux:*

   - The PCs that I'm selling during (or before) the yard sale were
   securely wiped using Ubuntu
   - The PCs can run Linux if you wish

*Of possible interest:*

   - HP Laptop w/ 4GB RAM and a *new* Samsung 250GB SSD drive
   - No operating system

      - pixels @ bottom of the screen are dying

      - Even after replacing the hard drive, my father-in-law (who owned
      the laptop) said that Windows would occasionally not boot due to "No OS
      Found" .... so this thing may just be useful for parts

      - *Asking: $75* (but if you offer more, then I would be inclined to
      sell it before the yard sale)

      - (Unused) Crucial 4GB Kit - 2x 2GB 240-Pin PC3 DDR3
      -

*Asking $45 *
   - 2GB Laptop RAM


*More Details (with updates): *
https://www.facebook.com/events/141105742905534/

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Building OEM appliances with RED Hat?

From: Rod-Lists 
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Does Red Hat have something like Ubuntu's oem-config?
It lets you build a system then runs a script so the client has to set up their own accounts.

FreePBX Call Recording Issue (Stephen Kraus)

From: Justin McAteer 
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Could be that the call is being setup with media directly between the phone=
s. What type of interface are you using for your external calls?
Thanks=2C=0A=

Justin McAteer=0A=

(256) 694-9195


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Forum Software

From: David Rucker 
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I am looking at building a forum website for my program at school.
Something where the students and admin can exchange information and ideas
easily.

I am part of a website that uses vBulletin and really like the way it looks
and operates. However when I looked into vBulletin its expensive.

Does anyone have any experience with any that are free and if not close to
it that are fairly clean and easy to use on the User side of things?
Complexity on the admin side doesn't matter and I have no preference as to
options however the more the better.

Oh and also I do my domain registration and hosting with GoDaddy and
currently have plesk hosting enabled because it worked the best across all
my computers. Which include multiple versions of Windows, OS X Yosemite,
and Ubuntu.

Thanks in advance!
David Rucker

Review of Ubuntu Phone Was | Long Post: Smartphone rant (Take 2?)

From: Rod-Lists 
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http://www.businessinsider.com/meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-review-2015-7

----- Original Message -----
> It's dead Jim:
> Well, it happened. My last smartphone has died. Accidentally entered pool
> with my phone in my pocket.
> 
> Linux or bust:
> Last smartphone! Multiple reasons, yet it all boils down to I want a Linux
> smartphone or not at all. I should own the phone if I bought it, especially
> at $300.
> 
> Next Phone:
> So, My next phone will at best be a candy bar simple feature with full qwerty
> keyboard. Otherwise, a candy bar 12 pad. I refuse to do the slider or
> sideways keyboards. I'll be looking for the following features, moderate
> camera resolution, and SMS. I don't need GPS. I don't need to go places I
> don't already know or someone I'm with doesn't already know. You can find me
> with your fancy phone if your seeing me is that important to you. Or
> vacations, I can rent a GPS. Can't be rented? Okay, buy and return within 2
> weeks.
> 
> Samsung Note: (TouchWiz mess)
> A few years back, I bought the Samsung Note. Not the Note 2, 3, 4... ad
> nauseum.
> I promptly roo.... Nope, Can't do that without attaching to a computer. Okay,
> so I promptl... Nope. Trying to do it in Linux was a fight in futility. So,
> I handed my phone to another geek friend and he rooted the phone for me. He
> waited on Winders to install some drivers, installed a debugging thing.
> Downloaded and installed Android SDK stuff. Well, went through all kinds of
> crap and got it rooted. By in large, I liked the phone and features. I
> didn't like TouchWiz. So I tried a couple of different launchers and settled
> on Nova because of its stability and features. I feverishly played with and
> programmed that phone off and on for 6 months. Then I started hitting walls.
> Lots of walls. Had plenty of wiggle room to do lots more things I'd like and
> better round out many of the Tasks I'd created using Tasker. However, some
> things just didn't report properly. Some things just weren't accessible.
> Some where unreliable. I had out grown the phone in under 6 months. I
> stopped most all development with the phone because I had outgrown it. It
> could no longer keep up with my desires and demands. And I couldn't simply
> code my way out of it either. Sure, I did code my way around many things.
> Others simply weren't to be had. Other people were forging ahead with newer
> Android versions. I was held back by Samsung on an old KitKat. I made
> several attempts to download the update. In hindsight, I am very glad it
> failed. (Explained in Nexus 5) Phone eventually died and I went without a
> smartphone for a few months.
> 
> Nexus 5: (Not a utopia)
> I dreamed and imagined that getting closer to Google would release many of my
> Samsung struggles. I was wrong. I started up my phone and started getting
> this eerie tickling feeling I was being watched. For the first time, I was
> really starting to feel the phone wasn't mine. You MUST have a Google
> account to use this device. Yes, this was the case in the previous Android
> as well. Somehow, in my excitement I had overlooked it. That enthusiastic
> excitement was now gone. I was starting to get the feeling that "Anything
> you say can and will be used against you in a cour..". Sorry, I think you
> get the idea. If not. "I WAS FEELING STALKED!" So, I am signed in again.
> After all, I already have an account. Now I proceed to root my phone. Nope!
> Again, I must attach to a computer, install drivers, install debugger, (ADB
> - Android Debug Bridge), install 3rd party questionable rooting software
> specifically for your type of phone. And even at that, it really needs to be
> Mac or Windows. Easiest when you use windows. (grumble, grumble, windows,
> virus target, $$Mac$$, Closed off) I like Linux, I hate others! Hey, I
> respect the others in their own right. I do understand some of the struggles
> and efforts required in order to create and maintain a robust OS. Respecting
> the work doesn't mean I have to like the results of the labor. Back to the
> phone. I had the phone rooted for me. Now, for the first time I can compare
> phones. Note versus Nexus, I can do what I couldn't and can't do what I
> could. I won't bother going into a phone by phone comparison of features. I
> couldn't transfer most of my previous settings over, for several reasons.
> One was because I now had a different launcher, default Google Launcher. I
> was thinking, the Google Launcher and the Siri like feature was cool. Ok
> Google, Listen to everything just in case I might say "Ok Google". This left
> me with yet another big brother feeling. I enabled and played with it, then
> disabled within a few hours. Eventually Google provided the option to update
> to Lollipop. Yay!, I'll wait a few days to see what others say and I don't
> have time to fix anything that might break right now. Pop, Nag, update
> ready, "Yeah, I'll get to it. Leave me alone!" Pop, nag, update ready. Um
> wait, how often is this going to happen. Pop, nag. Google?!?
> Pop, nag. This is annoying and affecting my Data usage! Pop, nag. And I can't
> shut it off anywhere. Pop, nag. My battery is being drained heavily because
> the update is constantly running and routinely checking Google for the
> update, About half the life it use to be. Pop, nag. Okay, I'll update just
> to stop the battery drain. Besides, it is a weekend and I have time to deal
> with any problems. Arrgghhh!!! That white background! That is so freaking
> ugly? Crap, wait! What? Ugh, Just because Apple thinks White is the new
> black. Argh, it is so garishly ugly and default for everything. Well, here
> comes Nova Launcher to the rescue, partly. Freaking Settings menu and many
> default menus still have this horrible theme that I can't change. Oh well.
> So, wait! Uh, I'm not rooted anymore! What? Damn it, This is MY PHONE! I
> guess that is what I get for thinking. Uh, can you hear me now...!!! Phone
> dead. I have no cell service. Oh, there it is again. Okay. I programmed it
> to say, "Signal Lost" every time it went down and "Service Acquired" when it
> came up. That was happening a lot. Generally about twice an hour, sometimes
> more, sometimes less. In addition, it would do it after nearly every call
> ended. I changed the messages to "Lost", "Found". And setup logging of every
> incident and signal strength at the time to a file. I changed the messages
> again to a comical, "I once was lost", "But now I'm found" and "Of all the
> things I ever lost", "I missed my mind the most". I had it randomly pick
> between those message pairs. I never did root the phone again. I Went
> through another nag update cycle and still the cell service problem
> remained. I Reported the problem to Google and nothing has come of it. The
> nagging and effectively forced update proved to me that Google owned the
> phone, not me. I was simply allowed to pay them to hold and use it for their
> easy spying on me.
> 
> Nope, I won't have another smartphone until there is a Linux smartphone. And
> I don't foresee that happening anytime soon.
> 
> Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar
> 
> 

If you could install Ubuntu on this 21-inch All-in-One Android computer

From: Phil Shapiro 
------------------------------------------------------


This would be a sweet extra computer in the house with Ubuntu installed. 


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883148209 


Admittedly, a very small 8 GB solid start hard drive -- but you could save files 
to SD card. (And you could maybe boot from the SD card, too, with a full operating 
system on it.) 


phil 


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"Learning happens thru gentleness." 

CM/linux port

From: Matt Keys 
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Just wondering if anyone in the lug would be interested in trying to port c=
yanogenmod, ubuntu touch, or whatever to a cheap Chinese tablet. My goal is=
 really just to learn from it and to make something useful out of it. I've =
got 3 of them that I mistakenly thought would make good cheap Bria clients =
to test with. It's this POS ..


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3D9SIA45S1BF1262


If you're interested I'll give/mail you one. Here's info I've pulled from i=
t so far :


http://pastebin.com/f2T1Mcac