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Website's Outbound Email in Spam

From: David White 
I think the world hates me and my email server setup.

I have at least 1 client who is complaining that the email being sent from
their website (e.g. contact forms) are going into spam.

I've ensured that SPF records are setup for that particular client's domain
name that point to the web server. The web server itself isn't on any
blacklists that I can find, and the web server has it's own Reverse DNS
setup correctly.

These 2 facts have always been true.

This is an interesting read, by the way:

Any specific suggestions?

On a related note, I have what may turn out to be a rhetorical question
(because I do have an opinion about it, and I think my current setup is the
best option):

In your opinions, which is better for outgoing email being sent directly
from a website:

   1. The email should be sent directly from the web server in question.
   SPF records for that website should be setup for the website's IP address.

   2. The email should be relayed through an actual email server before it
   goes out (so a user submits a form on the website, the website sends the
   email which gets accepted by localhost, and then localhost relays the email
   over to a real email server before the email gets sent to the destination)

*Why am I asking for your input?*
The reason I'm asking is that I have some clients whose websites I host,
who have valid SPF records setup (which matches their website's IP

The IP address is on no blacklists that I can tell. Yet often times, the
emails get sent to spam.

*The downside to #2 (using a relay) - and why I don't like #2*
One of the huge downsides I see in option #2 is that if I do relay
everything through one of my actual email servers, and a spammer got a hold
of one of the websites on the web server, the real email server could get

*The (possible?) upside of #2...*
The email server probably has a little bit better of a reputation in terms
of email volume going out, and it is recognized as an email server.
Receiving email providers know that email should be coming from the email
server's IP address.

(But don't get me started about AT&T blocking & completely bouncing that
email server's email completely, and Microsoft marking email coming from
that email server as spam)

Sometimes I don't know why I keep bothering with my own email
infrastructure. How and why do I think this is "fun" and a "better" way of
doing things than to cave in and use a service like Google Apps?

David White
Founder & CEO

*Develop CENTS *
Computing, Equipping, Networking, Training & Supporting
Organizations Worldwide

FOSS Tools for IT Departments

From: Mike Harrison 
I=E2=80=99m putting together a presentation to share next month on FOSS =
tools for IT/OT departments. Specifically the kids of things they would =
use internal to their organization.

What are you favorites and why?

For example some of the items only list are:

pfSense =3D Firewall with good support for OpenVPN and IPsec.

Clonezilla =3D makes images / backups / restores systems

Linux =3D Operating system useful for:
    Samba =3D Microsoft Style File Shares
    Nagios =3D SNMP and other methods Network Monitoring
    Snort =3D Intrusion Detection
    KVM/QEMU virtualization

DBAN =3D Wipe a disk

Microsoft Linux

From: John Aldrich 
Dont' know if you guys saw this, or not...

My question is did they abide by the GPL or did they make it
closed-source and corrupted the way they do most everything else they

  John Aldrich

Is windows 10 spyware?

From: Rod-Lists 
There is a very long history of claims of Microsoft phoning home with your data.
With interesting fourier transformationshris to back it up.
But this seems to be a going to a new level.

Part 2 - (Was Google (and others?) marking my email as spam)

From: David White 
Well, I continue to have issues with my email going into people's spam

I even had 1 message yesterday that Google didn't deliver, period (it
wasn't even in the user's spam folder). That message was a test to a friend
of mine who is also a client, and could have been filtered out because it
was a bit weird to being with.

I had a similar situation occur with a friend about a month ago whose email
was is hosted in Microsoft Live (I sent a test message, he didn't even get
it, even in his spam).

So I have evidence that some of my email isn't even getting to the intended

Reviewing mail server logs, however, I can confirm a 250 delivered report
that the mail server successfully connected to the receiving mail server
and delivered the message.

Yesterday, I implemented DKIM, and this morning, I implemented DMARC.

This seems very, very ridiculous that I have to enable DMARC on a domain
that runs a single email address.

But I see no other way for me to get to the bottom of this.

If anyone has any additional suggestions, troubleshooting advice, etc..., I
would be grateful. This hurting me and my business.

- David

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Dave Brockman  wrote:

> Hash: SHA1
> I don't think this is the right direction.  Many SMTP servers exhibit
> this behavior as they hand off to different processes to perform
> different functions.  Delivery to G is a PITA honestly, but time and
> volume usually helps with this.  I have a whole config file dealing with
> G quirks, beginning with forcing delivery over IPv4 :(
> Regards,
> dtb
> On 5/15/2015 11:00 AM, Wil Wade wrote:
> > I am guessing here, but I suspect that any header with localhost is
> > getting flagged. It should read the name and address of the server.
> >
> > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:27 AM, David White  > > wrote:
> >
> >     Why would the localhost / be an issue?
> >
> >     Postfix "receives" / processes the message a couple different time
> s
> >     on different daemons, I believe. Therefore, the localhost thing
> >     would make sense.
> >
> >     On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Wil Wade  >     > wrote:
> >
> >         I believe this is what it may be getting hung up on:
> >
> >         On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:10 AM, David White
> >          wrote:
> >
> >             Received: from localhost (localhost [])
> >               by 
> (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BC73C74;
> >               Thu, 14 May 2015 15:27:15 +0000 (UTC)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         

MS's PowerShell to support SSH

From: Stephen Kraus 
Again, it seems like Microsoft is slowly gravitating towards recognizing
the need for interoperability between Linux, UNIX, and Windows.

Glad to see more of this. Between the addition of NFS support and added
UNIX support in 2012, I'm excited.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Wil Wade  wrote:

> Another piece of MicrOSSoft news:
> They are going to be working on PowerShell with OpenSSH. An interesting
> quote however indicates how the inside has changed at Microsoft:
> "The first attempts were during PowerShell V1 and V2 and were rejected.
>> Given our changes in leadership and culture, we decided to give it another
>> try and this time, because we are able to show the clear and compelling
>> customer value, the company is very supportive."

MS's PowerShell to support SSH

From: Wil Wade 
Another piece of MicrOSSoft news:

They are going to be working on PowerShell with OpenSSH. An interesting
quote however indicates how the inside has changed at Microsoft:

"The first attempts were during PowerShell V1 and V2 and were rejected.
> Given our changes in leadership and culture, we decided to give it another
> try and this time, because we are able to show the clear and compelling
> customer value, the company is very supportive."

Another indication that M$ is Changing (Windows -> OSS?)

From: Wil Wade 
Via Hacker News:

The other headline could be: A "top engineer" at Microsoft isn't fired be
suggesting that Windows could be Open Sourced.

We have talked about it before how Microsoft is changing, but I think the
importance here is how much OSS has gone from "I don't trust open source"
(actual quote from a co-worker, who was later fired...) to the
understanding that having (at least certain things) a common base to build
on helps everyone.

Ether that or Microsoft is following the demise of other companies hoping
that the company can stay afloat if they just open source everything.
(Don't think that is the case)

Other thoughts?

Linux has spoiled me

From: Mike Harrison 
Just ranting while watching things download and install on an MS-Server:

I’m building a testbed for some future Linux integration with Microsoft Biztalk, an “enterprise service bus / message queue” on a VM. I’m a few days of playing around, on my 4th install (I’ve made some stupid mistakes and had to start over) and learned a lot. 

Mostly what I’ve learned from the Linux and Mac worlds is: I’m spoiled. 

Linux servers, until you get into really weird stuff, just seem to be couple of yum installs or apt-get’s away from having just about anything you would normally want, up and running. On the weirder stuff, you might have to add a few things from the standard apt/yum/etc repo’s and then either use a private repo or compile something from scratch. Compiling being a rarer option than it used to be, but is still a good option for special cases. 

I’m pretty crusty on MS-Stuff, so I’ve had to learn a lot that I have intentionally forgotten. But what really surprises me is how different the processes are for installing various Microsoft products. Although the “Server Manager” has a decent start with “Add roles and features” it’s a subset of things, and I think it is missing some common essentials. For other things I’ve had to download installers and run them, use “CAB’s” and “Box’s”.. the weirdest one was install a 32 bit version of Excel, on a 64 bit Server OS because “BAM” requires it and won’t work on 32 bit.. I’ve lost track of the reboots, extra installations... uninstalls (SQL Server Express is installed with Visual Studio, but must be removed so you can install SQL Server).. Obscure menu tree hunting to find an option to turn on or off…  I’ve even found and been following several different official how-to’s that do not agree. But it works. Or at least seems to be. I have yet to use it for anything. It’s obvious that Microsoft has groups that don’t “come together” on how to install software, deal with requirements. Microsoft seems to be missing a company/product line wide package manager, and that seems to be a very antiquated thought process. and some things seem to be only available in 32 bit.. like the BI Tools for Visual Studio. Come on Microsoft, why would things you would run on a nice 64 bit server, requiring 32 bit packages for support? 

That a worldwide collective of a wide range of Linux programmer and sysadmins do such a great job of repositories and installations from them, makes me realize how spoiled I have become, and how thankful I am for everyone’s efforts. 

MS-Biztalk Wizard (that is Linux Friendly) needed

From: Mike Harrison 
I’m trying to help a foreign company with an integration project. Many of their systems are Linux/AIX/Sun/*nix, and some are not. 
Their goal is to use Microsoft Biztalk as an Enterprise Service Bus / Message Queueing interface point for multiple systems. Some of which understand CSV via file imports, some via XML via file imports, some via XML and REST and/or SOAP. They will need to do some data transformations: CSV in, XML out, etc.. 

What they need is an experienced mercenary MS-Biztalk expert that can help them, on site, do integration and train a talented motivated utility employee in care, feeding and minor tweaks. 
You would have to spend some time in the pleasant resort destination country. Probably several weeks over a handful of trips.  It might be possible to take a spouse (you would pay their airfare, some expenses) and they would enjoy the location. 

Specifically looking for the kind of person that can do actual configs, tuning and data transformational code while on site in their test/dev sandbox and possibly help move it to the production systems. As I understand it, the best way to do that with Biztalk is via Visual Studio and specific Biztalk tools. Not my worlds.  

Language: English, Pay and Travel: Corporate expert rates and expenses. 

Caveat: I may be one of the Linux geeks you’d be interfacing with and I’m in charge of the overall project. That can be very good, or bad. :)

Apply by contacting me directly first. I’ll reply with more formal information. Trying to do this via informal networking channels before hitting the recruiters and job boards. 


From the Comments of a Linux to Win 8 Test

From: Jonathan Calloway 
I can=E2=80=99t help but to add this thought.  I wonder how many of us =
will say / do / think the same thing about Windows 10?

> On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Wil Wade  wrote:
> So on Hacker News was posted this article:
> "Developer trying out Windows 8.1 after 8 years with Linux "
> =

From the Comments of a Linux to Win 8 Test

From: Wil Wade 
So on Hacker News was posted this article:

"Developer trying out Windows 8.1 after 8 years with Linux "

Treating developers well...

From: Mike Harrison 

> On Mar 11, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Eric Wolf  wrote:
> And if you ever want to develop a higher opinion for Microsoft, just try developing for VMware. Microsoft has always had very good developer support. VMware treats developers as a revenue source.

I’ve been impressed recently that I easily downloaded and am playing with M$-Server 2012R2 and M$-SQL 2012 with a 180 day eval license (and some other toys)  More than enough for evaluating and figuring out of I can make things work that I need to.. (I’ll be using Linux, but need to emulate the other side for dev/testing). And while there is a lot I don’t like about the M$-world, I’m impressed that they have come a long way since I last played, yet dismayed at the inconsistent interfaces, and complete lack of useful error messages in the event system. “Could not connect to object” is not very useful. But yes, will agree: much more dev/testing friendly than I remember Microsoft being. 

OT: Job Opportunity: American Poolplayers Association

From: Lisa Ridley 
I know this is a LUG list, but I also know there are a couple of people =
actively job hunting so I thought I would pass this along =97 I saw it =
this morning when got online to check if our pool team stats were posted =
yet this week:

The American Poolplayers Association is looking for a Sr Software =
Engineer to act as a Development Team Leader in their Lake St. Louis =
office.  If you have experience with MSSQL Server and ASP.NET, and are =
willing to relocate, check this out:

Here=92s what I know about their system that=92s not in this job =

1.  They have a public facing site that has advertising and educational =
materials on it.
2.  They have a member portal where individual members can log in and =
see their team stats & personal stats =97 current and historical , renew =
memberships, and get an electronic copy of their APA membership card, =
which has to be presented along with a picture ID as proof of identity =
if you are playing in an APA sanctioned tournament anywhere in the US, =
including the national tournament in Las Vegas, get an electronic copy =
of the scoresheet for upcoming local league matches, etc.
3.  They have a franchise owner portal where the franchise operators for =
the different local leagues (ours here covers Hamilton, Bradley, Marion =
and Rhea counties in TN) log in every week and, among other things, =
enter the individual match sheets for every match played that week in =
their franchise territory (which the National APA uses for a variety of =
things, including handicap assessment of individuals for tournament =
play), team fees and other things that franchise operators must do to =
run their franchise.  There is also a section where local league =
operators can set up a league website for their area, that is currently =
not used =97 much of the functionality in that section is broken.
4.  The entire website is dated (no responsiveness, no mobile =
capabilities, etc), and needs some serious help.  I emailed them about 4 =
months ago as a member inquiring if there was someone I could talk to =
about helping them fix some of their website issues, but never got to =
the right person and didn=92t continue to pursue it.

I detest and MSSQL, and have little experience in that realm =
(plus don=92t want to move to Lake St. Louis) or I would pursue it =
myself.  You probably get 3 or 4 free trips to Vegas to National =
Tournaments every year as part of the job =97 nice perk.

If you are a Microsoft Techie and are open to working in Lake St. Louis, =
could be a cool opportunity.  If you can convince them to abandon =
Microsoft and and move to open source, even better.  If you =
pursue the job and get it, let me know please.=

a rather humbling experience

From: Ed King 
Y'all know I'm probably the most humble person on the list, never ever toot my own horn

I've got 8 years of Oracle DBA experience (Hamilton County) and I've been doing PostgreSQL continuously since year 2000, and Mysql continuously since 2011 (avoided it for the longest because I thought it was a toy database).   A "mega crap ton" of db activity (translation: $$$$$$$ in revenue) has taken place on databases/servers I've installed/maintained over the years.

A tech recruiter recently contacted me via LinkedIn about a "SQL DBA" opportunity.  I told her, straight up, that I was very comfortable with Postgresql, Mysql, and Oracle, but not so much experience with Microsoft SQL Server,  but I figure "a database is a database" and surely 15 years of DBA experience should be "transferable skill", right???   

So yesterday I took a ProveIt! test for Microsoft DBA.   

Ahahahahahahahaha...    I'm not gonna say what my score was.    Or maybe I should be proud of it?

I can't share the test questions since I had to "agreee" that the contents of the test were proprietary or whatever, but I really didn't think the questions could "prove" someone's DBA skill, even if they were familiar with all the microsoft-centric terminology.

Raspberry Pi 2 - Now with Windows 10!

From: Phil Sieg 

I think it is a win!

Just wish there was a 2GB and 4GB ram version=E2=80=A6

Phil Sieg
SeniorTech LLC / snapf=C5=8Dn=C2=AE

Phone: 423.535.9968
Fax: 423.265.9820
Mobile: 423.331.0725

"The computer is the most remarkable tool that we've ever come up with. =
It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds."

Steve Jobs, 1955-2011

> On Feb 2, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Chad Smith  wrote:
> =

> =46rom the announcement:
> Let's get the good stuff out of the way above the fold. Raspberry Pi 2 =
is now on sale for $35 (the same price as the existing Model B+), =
> A 900MHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A7 CPU (~6x performance)
> 1GB LPDDR2 SDRAM (2x memory)
> Complete compatibility with Raspberry Pi 1
> Because it has an ARMv7 processor, it can run the full range of ARM =
GNU/Linux distributions, including Snappy Ubuntu Core, as well as =
Microsoft Windows 10.
> Microsoft has said that in the next few months, they are going to =
introduce a *Free* version of Windows 10 designed to work on the =
Raspberry Pi 2.
> =

> What do you guys think?
> - Chad W. Smith

Linus says we must party

From: Mike Harrison 

Our glorious and benevolent leader has proclaimed:
"Wear silly hats, get a banner printed that says "Leap Second Doomsday Party", and get silly drunk. You'll blink, and it's over, but at least you'll have the hangover next day to remind you of that glorious but fleeting extra second."
What: Leap Second Party When: June 30th, 2015, 7pm until ??? (staying up to Midnight is optional. We'll toast the leap second at 9pm.. and 10pm.. and... ) Where: 1031 Lower Brow Road, Signal Mtn TN Bring: Yourself and others, a smile, good stories Leave: Grudges, Microsoft systems, bad mojo.

"Best computer you can buy for $499"

From: John Aldrich 

Microsoft Surface Pro. Wonder if you can wipe it and install Linux or
Android? :)

  John Aldrich

A nice laptop to install Linux on

From: Phil Shapiro 

After disabling Secure Boot, this would be a great laptop to wipe Windows and install Linux on. 

Quad core processor. Weighs 2 pounds. I could go for that. 

Then I'd ask Microsoft to send me a refund for the Windows I didn't use. 



Phil Shapiro, 

"Wisdom begins with wonder." - Socrates 
"Learning happens thru gentleness."