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From: Unkmar 
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I prefer stability over new features.

Debian: (My favorite)
  I use the stable version, so it is always behind the times. The install
is incredibly versatile.  Easy to follow the guide for a once size fits all.
When you don't know what something means, just take recommended
or hit Enter.  If you want a light weight server, easy enough to figure out.
You wan't a very light weight install and then extremely minimal Desktop
enviroment, sort of like a ChromeBook. That is also pretty easy to do.
The default Desktop install is gnome3.  I've tried it, I mean seriously
tried it for over a month.  I hate it.  Seriously, I hate gnome3. I
currently
use LXDE. Wait, I'm getting side tracked.  Eh, I like Debian, everything
after that is me nitpicking packages and settings.

Red Hat:
  I used it so long ago I don't remember what it was like.

Mandrake: (Now Mandriva)
  My first experience with Linux that I can actually recall.
My thoughts at the time, Linux is almost ready to replace Windows on the
Desktop.  When they get it together and finish some things up, I'll switch.
(I didn't know. I thought of Linux as a smaller version of Microsoft but
split
up among a few groups. Maybe 5. I had no idea of the true scope of
GNU/Linux)

Ubuntu: (My first REAL use of Linux)
  It was and is great. I didn't like its instability so I moved to its
parent, Debian.
I still sometimes use a Live Ubuntu CD because Debian doesn't do that.
(A third party provides a Debian Live CD option that has never worked for
me.)

Suse:
  The install had a learning cliff, No curve.  I didn't get far enough to
evaluate
the actual distro.

Gentoo:
  I hate the long compile time for installing anything. I prefer to date
before marriage. That compile time feels like a serious commitment.

Puppy:
  Feels like a toy.  Honestly, it is a wonderful tool but the install feels
more
like an infection.  It is a light weight distro.  Has a light weight
install.
Has no method of making it fat even if you prefer a few bells and whistles.
You can't choose partition sizes or anything. (Puppy would make a great
recovery install for if something goes horribly wrong. Oh, wait!  Most
distros
already have that as a reasonable built in option. What was puppy for
again?)
Oh, It is a great small distro that boots into RAM from CD where you can
then remove the CD and use the drive to burn other CD's if you wish.
Many other tools available, That is just the one that stuck in my mind.

Red Hat:
  Um, just no!  My dislike of Red Hat has been strong enough for me to
effectively wipe my memory of exactly why.

Tiny Core:
  Oh great spaghetti monster.  Please take it back from where it came.
Um, it lives up to its name. It is Tiny and merely a Core.  You get to
struggle
for a few minutes to get networking so that you can download anything.
It has a quirky package management system (PMS) that you must learn
to in order to do anything. Here is a list of somethings don't get until you
use the PMS, web browser (GUI or CLI), partitioning tools.  Actually,
how about I list what you do get. The ability to move the mouse around,
point, click.  Possibly a CLI so you can run ls, head, cat, and more.
I'm pretty sure that less is missing until you PMS it.  I don't know if it
even has nano, pico, or vi without the PMS.  Seriously, it is a Tiny Core.

Derivatives: (I generally avoid them)
  Reasoning: Fixes to the problems lag behind the parent.
Find a problem, and a fix in the parent.  You constantly use the parent as
a guide on how to fix the child problems and sometimes that doesn't work.
Then you are left with a child that has the problem, can't find a fix
because
so few are using, reporting, and supporting the child. You are sort of left
out
in the cold.

The heck is up with Ubuntu and package stuff

From: Dan Lyke 
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So I'm running Xenial on a bunch of boxes, and not only am I having
the appstream-cli pegging the CPU issue (that all the web searches
claim was fixed back in 2012 or some such), but I'm also seeing weird
errant apt-get processes hanging around for days and locking repos and
stuff.

These are all machines that got updated, but still. WTF?

And I should probably figure out just how to remove the automatic
checks stuff and run my updates manually, but with that in mind, and
given that several of these boxes are upgrades that should really be
wiped and re-installed...

What's a good Debian-based install that has a lightweight window
manager, a decent WiFi manager, and doesn't try to be user obsequious?
Or is it time for me to go Arch?

Thanks to All!

From: David Rucker 
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Hello,

I just wanted to send out a thank you to everyone that helped with
suggestions on my home network equipment.

Previously I had issues with having more then one device at a time
connected that was accessing the net. I could only use one streaming
service at a time on one device only if I started two both would slow down
and were not usable. If I started downloading something while streaming it
would kick the streaming device basically offline.

After polling the group for ideas/answers I decided to go with Ubiquity
equipment. I got an EdgeRouter X and an AP-LR (non-AC) AC while being
faster just doesn't seem to have much distance.

Well I am happy to report that I have my Ubnt equipment fully setup and its
performance is outstanding for my setup. My Internet is a 250MB/s Fiber
provided by Ringgold Telephone Company. I can now successfully stream HD to
2 devices and simultaneously download at 4+MB/s!

I am thoroughly pleased with the outcome of my equipment purchase. Just for
FYI I have a PoE injector feeding the ER-X and passing through to the AP
and also have a PogoPlug Mobile connected to the ER-X as well. My next
project, for this coming weekend most likely, will be installing Debian and
MiniDLNA on my PogoPlug. I like some of its NAS features but would like to
get away from a 3rd party application/account management. I love the fact
that I am continuing to get use out of it after purchasing it on clearance
while I was working at radioshack 2-3 years ago for about $10!

Thanks,
David R.

PS. Would love to come participate in the HW Swap that is currently in
discussion but I am currently getting ready to go to Japan for ~3 months
and will be leaving in 2 weeks. When I get back thought I will drag some of
my classic Mac stuff to see if anyone is interested.

Microsoft Linux aka Debian Sonic

From: Michael Harrison 
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/09/microsoft

Exim Local User to Root Flaw

From: Michael Ward 
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Debian's default MTA has a flaw allowing local users to get root via +S
perl script.

http://exim.org/static/doc/CVE-2016-1531.txt

Bad fstab, can't log in

From: Garrett Gaston 
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I just had to reinstall my debian media server but I've somehow messed up
my fstab file and now the server hangs up when it starting trying to mount
that drive and I can't log in. I've tried the Ctrl-D for continue which is
on the screen but that hasn't helped. I've also tried to change the kernel
parameters by editing the grub menu. I first added 'single' to the
parameter list but nothing changed there. I then tried to add 'rw
init=/bin/bash', that time it appeared to log itself into root as I see
'root@(none):/#' on the screen but I can't type anything. Any ideas on how
I can get out of this predicament? Thanks.

Question for hardware embed guys

From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" 
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I don't know if 45W is too much power for your requirements, but look into
the Wyse WinTerm J400. It's a VIA C3 1GHz, takes SDRAM and has a PCI riser.
It's original purpose was a Windows Embedded thin client, but can easily be
repurposed with an IDE flash module.

-Alex
-Seattle, WA metropolitan area

" 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the
first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and
warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we=E2=80=99re al=
l
damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
episode "The Drumhead"
- Alex Smith
- Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Rod-Lists  wrote:

> I'm planning to build some communication servers for a use case that
> presupposes limited electrical power available.
> Think on a sailboat or an emcomm situation with the site on limited backu=
p
> power.
>
> Found this.
> http://www.cyrius.com/debian/loongson/fulong/gallery/
> Specs.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemote#Fuloong

Question for hardware embed guys

From: Rod-Lists 
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I'm planning to build some communication servers for a use case that presupposes limited electrical power available.
Think on a sailboat or an emcomm situation with the site on limited backup power. 

Found this.
http://www.cyrius.com/debian/loongson/fulong/gallery/
Specs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemote#Fuloong

Oh my GAWD, what have I done!!! (ZenFone 2)

From: kitepilot@kitepilot.com
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In the quest for the perfect phone (they all SUCK!), I got me an unlocked 
ZenFone 2 (ZE551ML)
http://tinyurl.com/oeqaae7 

Why?
Well, for one thing my old (un)trusty (and sucky) Samsung Note-One died an 
slow death incapable of recharge its (new) battery.  Besides that, the 
ZenFone 2 has an Intel Atom Quad Core Z3580 (2.3GHz) inside (X64 opcode!) 
and I saw it running a full blown KDE desktop.  8-)
Oh boy... 

Expected to be delivered on Tuesday.
First order of the day?
Dual-boot the thing in Debian...
ET 

PS: The BEST of both ($%!#ing) Worlds!

Debian MySQL Preseed question

From: asg 
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I=E2=80=99m working with a script that installs MySQL on Debian with =
preseeded responses to the questions. One of the preseeded responses is:

mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server-5.5/really

systemd: Damn silly

From: Rod-Lists 
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got plugged into a network to boot?!P
Devaun and slack starting to look good.

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p Sun, 01 Feb 2015 12:24:08 +0100 schreef Jarle Aase :

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Normally I use my laptop as a workstation, with wired Internet and a 1 T
extra disk in the cd-tray.

Today I tried to boot it in a cafe, off-line and without the extra disk.
It was not possible. Systemd would just wait indefinitely for some
start-up jobs (it was waiting for the missing disk to come on-line among
some other things). Fortunately, I had the extra disk with me, so I
attached it and tried again. Still for no use. Systemd now waited for
the network interfaces. So I had to actually connect an ethernet cable
to a router just to get the crap to boot, and then unplug it and walk
back to my table.

How did this happen? How come Debian is now  /more/ useless than
Windows? It can't even boot if the hardware configuration is not exactly
the way it assumes. WTF!

Jarle


https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00013.html

$9 computer exceeds funding goals

From: Rod-Lists 
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A ghz processor? debian? APRS and broadband hamnet here I come.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer

http://makezine.com/2015/05/07/next-thing-co-releases-worlds-first-9-computer/

Announcing the Birth of Hurd

From: Rod-Lists 
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 After a 25 year gestation, Hurd has finally been born. It was a difficult birth and it’s now being kept in an incubator under the care of Debian.
http://fossforce.com/2015/05/announcing-the-birth-of-hurd/

Laptops with known Linux support

From: Unkmar 
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I'm planning to purchase a few identical laptops with a few minimal
requirements.

1. Everything works on Linux, preferably Debian.  My arm can be twisted to
allow Ughbuntu.
2. Dual boot.  I need Windows to be on these systems, whether I like it or
not.  The end users will need it.
3. $300-$600.  Clearly the lower number is preferable. Yet..
4. Intel CPU.  As close to i7 as possible.
5. Not Lenovo.  Last I knew, those guys still whitelist their WiFi cards
and I strongly disagree with any form of lock-in.

Well, I guess that covers it.  Obviously more memory is better.  Anything
over 2Gb should be fine.  I'm hoping for 4Gb to 8Gb.

Honestly, drive size and type just doesn't matter much to me.  SSD or Not.
Sure, they boot amazingly fast.  Just not a deal maker either way.   And I
haven't really out grown storage in years unless I horde loads of junk I
don't use anyway.

I'm asking for you help because some of you may have already successfully
done the research. I've looked around and just get frustrated from the
prices jumping around a grand any time I get comfortable with the
specifications.  I'm trying to settle for less and having a hard time
finding anything *NEW* in desired price range.  New is not really the
requirement.  Identical laptops fully supporting Linux and Legal copies of
Windows 7 or higher.  (Identical !!!)

Thanks in advance.
Lucius L. Hilley III

PS: Help me provide a great late X-mas/Birthdary present for a few kids.

Possibly falling under Daemonic influence

From: Rod-Lists 
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Been looking OS's that are not going to Systemd.
On the linux side it seems gentoo and Slack are not(started with Slack in the 90's)

But BSD seems to very safe at the moment.
So Beastie Boys make your pitch why do you like BSD?
What things an ex debian user will need to get used to?

Disabling IRQ #16

From: James Nylen 
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I just got this message in the console, and this in /var/log/messages, and
now there are lots of dropped keypresses and mouse movements.  Anyone know
what may have happened?

Feb  7 00:46:40 computron kernel: [922030.381755] CPU: 1 PID: 28435 Comm:
firefox Tainted: G           O 3.11-2-amd64 #1 Debian 3.11.8-1
Feb  7 00:46:40 computron kernel: [922030.381757] Hardware name: System
manufacturer System Product Name/M4A78 PLUS, BIOS 1214    09/14/2009
Feb  7 00:46:40 computron kernel: [922030.381759]  ffff880226fdf4bc
ffffffff81474a72 ffff880226fdf400 ffffffff810d4ea8
Feb  7 00:46:40 computron kernel: [922030.381763]  ffff880226fdf400
0000000000000010 0000000000000000 ffffffff810d52ba
Feb  7 00:46:40 computron kernel: [922030.381765]  0000000000000000
0000000000000000 0000000000000010 0000000000000000
Feb  7 00:46:40 computron kernel: [922030.381767] Call Trace:
Feb  7 00:46:40 computron kernel: [922030.381769]  
[] ? dump

GLIBC Vuln GHOST Vulnerability # CVE-2015-0235

From: Mike Harrison 
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http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/01/27/9

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/cve-2015-0235-patch-ghost-on-debian-ubuntu-fedora-centos-rhel-linux/

Another fun one. Hits a lot of systems and affects multiple programs. 

"During a code audit performed internally at Qualys, we discovered a
buffer overflow in the 

Firewalled at work: Network Security Question

From: Nick LaPorta 
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Hey guys:

Long time lurker, first time poster. (Apologize for the length, longer than
I intended)

While I'm not a super user, as some on this list, I have built a few *nix
boxes/laptops, etc and would certainly classify myself as still a step
under intermediate, but not beginner.

Quick one (hopefully) for you all.  Recently (2 days ago) installed the
latest Debian distro on a Dell D630 - not sure what other details would be
needed here - and am having trouble connecting to the guest wireless
network here at work (Unum). Side note: I've never connected wirelessly. In
an effort to resolve the wireless broadcom driver issue, I needed access to
wget commands via web so I plugged into ethernet and after like 20 seconds,
got a notice that it was strictly forbidden since this wasn't a work asset
and my network activity was cut at that point.

The note I receive is:

"Your device, IP Address xx.xxx.xx.xx has been identified as exhibiting
unusal [sic] network activity by the Unum network security team.

This type of network activity is typically the result of having a virus,
worm, or malware on your device.

Your device is currently isolated from the network until this issue is
resolved.

If this is a personal device it is your responsibility to correct the
issue."


So, are there any settings or things that I might be able to add to
circumvent these issues?  I've already submitted a ticket with the network
security team.

Also, to be clear, I don't intend on breaking any policies or rules over
this.  If it won't work, it won't work.  But, I wanted to give it a fair
chance

Thanks All and love this community!
Nick

Ian Jackson resigns from technical committee

From: Rod-Lists 
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"Ian Jackson resigns from technical committee after measure to slow systemd adoption fails."
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2848584/software/debian-general-resolution-against-systemd-coupling-fails-sponsor-steps-down.html

Debian has had causulties on both sides of the systemd fight.