Ubuntu One going away

From: Michael Scholten 


We are writing to you to notify you that we will be shutting down the
Ubuntu One file services, effective 1 June 2014. This email gives
information about the closure and what you should expect during the
shutdown process.

As of today, it will no longer be possible to purchase storage or music
from the Ubuntu One store. The Ubuntu One file services apps in the Ubuntu,
Google, and Apple stores will be updated appropriately.

As always, your content belongs to you.  You can simply download your files
onto your PC or an external hard drive.  While the service will stop as of
1 June, you will have an additional two months (until 31 July 2014) to
collect all of your content. After that date, all remaining content will
be deleted.

If you have an active annual subscription, the unused portion of your fees
will be refunded. The refund amount will be calculated from today's

We know you have come to rely on Ubuntu One, and we apologise for the
inconvenience this closure may cause.  We've always been inspired by the
support, feedback and enthusiasm of our users and want to thank you for
the support you've shown for Ubuntu One. We hope that you'll continue to
support us as together we bring a revolutionary experience to new devices.

The Ubuntu One team"


Looking for pedestal server

From: "Daniel L. Appleget" 
Would like to purchase one basic name brand pedestal server, have a new 
client that has an old pc for a server that needs to be replaced.  Needs 
to have RAID and low to moderate  noise.  Please email or text me 
directly.  Would rather pay you than shipping one from California.

Please include make/model cpu, ram, drive specs, & price.

Daniel Appleget
Chattanooga Computer Service

Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito


From: "Daniel L. Appleget" 
Living Inside the Box


Daniel Appleget
Chattanooga Computer Service

Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito

American companies respond to new NSA hacking claims

From: David White 
This is interesting:


Here's a direct link to several of the NSA documents referenced in this
article: http://www.scribd.com/collections/4411280/Applebaum-NSA-Files

David White
Founder & CEO

*Develop CENTS *
Computing, Equipping, Networking, Training & Supporting
Nonprofit Organizations Worldwide

router trolling

From: gary hasty 
Heading out to a friends in Dallas this weekend and he's having wifi issues
in his home so I get to play geek when I get there.  It's a 90 year old
home built solid and he's using an old apple router so I'm suspecting most
of his streaming issues just being "time to upgrade".  What's some of your
favorite Best Buy-able wireless routers these days for getting thru old,
solid house walls?

OT: MacBook for sale. Too cheap?

From: Stephen Haywood 
I just found this on Craigslist. I'm trying to decide if the owner doesn't
know how much it's worth or if it's stolen.

 2012 Apple Macbook Pro 15 inch retina screen - $1000
 2012 Apple Macbook Pro 15 inch retina screen

2.6 ghz intel i7
2012 model
15 inch retina diplay
8 gb of ram
includes box, charger, and disks.
Stephen Haywood
Owner, ASG Consulting

Raspberry Pi on track to sell more units than Apple II computers

From: Phil Shapiro 

The Raspberry Pi has sold almost 2 million units. It looks like it's on track to sell more units than the venerable Apple II. When I was an Apple II software developer in the early 1990's, I recall Apple advertising that 6 million Apple II's had been sold. 

If anyone in the LUG is so inclined, it would be interesting to create side by side comparison charts on the approximate sales growth curve for these two computers. It took Apple 16 years to sell 6 million Apple II's. Raspberry Pi Foundation might achieve that goal in 4 years (or less). 

Linux is unstoppable. #unstoppable 



Phil Shapiro, pshapiro@his.com 

"Wisdom begins with wonder." - Socrates 
"Learning happens thru gentleness." 

UTF8 playing...

From: Mike Harrison 

I liked the idea of the signature, burned some time making it work as
an email address. The parenthesis and such made it too weird in certain 
fonts, but I liked the idea of: ┌∩┐@geeklabs.com as an email address.

You can send mail to it. It works in pine, Made Apple Mail barf and gmail 
nuts, What funny is the Apple Mail client receives it and displays it very 
well. It should drive some spammers systems nuts.

The way it ends up in the actual mail system (when it works) is 

Received: from localhost (localhost [])
   (forwarded by =?iso-8859-1?B?4pSM4oip4pSQQGdlZWtsYWJzLmNvbSk=?=
   by mail.geeklabs.com with local; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 00:32:46 +0000
   id 000000000049DB32.526F022E.00002F79
Delivered-To: ┌∩┐@geeklabs.com
Received: from localhost ([::ffff:])
   (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA)
   by mail.geeklabs.com with ESMTPS; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 00:32:46 +0000
   id 000000000049DB30.526F022E.00002F74
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 00:32:46 +0000 (UTC)
From: Mike Harrison 
X-X-Sender: "cluon@geeklabs.com"@mail.geeklabs.com
Reply-To: Mike Harrison 
To: "=?UTF-8?Q?=E2=94=8C=E2=88=A9=E2=94=90=40geeklabs=2Ecom?=" 

Subject: foo test
User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14)

Mike Harrison ┌∩┐@geeklabs.com  http://www.geeklabs.com/mike.harrison.public.key.txt

ok this is weird, e-mails from South Africa

From: Rod 
Dave is right I must have gotten myself on a list somewhere.

------- Forwarded message -------
From: "Gadget Arena Ltd" 
To: rod-lists@epbfi.com
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:43:40 -0400

We hope this message meet you well, please visit our website
http://gadgetarena.wozaonline.co.za/ we are supplier of quality gadgets to
the public at affordable prices. We are situated in Bloemfontein, South
Africa. We are running a promotional sales for this week, save 30% and
tell friends and family to benefit from the sales.

Some of the deal are listed below
BlackBerry Bold 9900 | R3,500
Blackberry Q5  | R3,000
Blackberry Z10  | R4,000
Blackberry Q10  | R4,500
Blackberry porsche p9981 | R10,000

Sony Xperia V 8GB  | R4,200
Sony Xperia Z 16GB | R4,000

Apple Iphone 4S 16GB | R3,800
Apple Iphone 4S 32GB | R4,000
Apple Iphone 4S 64GB | R4,500

Apple Iphone 5 16GB | R4,000
Apple Iphone 5 32GB | R5,500
Apple Iphone 5 64GB | R6,000

Samsung Galaxy Tab | R3,000
Samsung Galaxy Note II 16GB| R3,500
Samsung Galaxy S III 16GB | R3,500
Samsung Galaxy S III 32GB | R4,000
Samsung Galaxy S4 16GB | R3,700
Samsung Galaxy S4 32GB | R4,200

Microsoft Surface 10.6" 32GB Tablet | R4,000
Microsoft Surface Pro 10.6" 128GB Tablet  | R8,500

Apple iPad 2 Black&White 16GB 9.7" Tablet With WiFi & 3G | R4,000
Apple iPad 2 Black&White 32GB 9.7" Tablet With WiFi & 3G | R4,300
Apple iPad 2 Black&White 64GB 9.7" Tablet With WiFi & 3G | R5,500
Apple iPad 4 Black 64GB 9.7" Tablet With WiFi & 4G | R6,000

Apple MacBook MC207 13" Intel Core 2 Duo Notebook | R3,500
Apple MacBook Air 11" 64GB | R4,350
Apple Macbook 13.3 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo | R4,600
Apple MacBook 13.3" Intel Core 2 Duo Notebook | R4,750
Apple MacBook Air 11.6" Intel Core 2 Duo Notebook | R4,800
Apple MacBook 13" White 2.1GHz Intel Core Duo | R4,800
Apple MacBook MC516LL/A 13.3" Intel Core 2 Duo | R4,850
Apple MacBook Air 11" 128GB | R5,700
Apple MacBook Air 11.6" Intel Core 2 Duo Notebook | R6,150
Apple MacBook Air 13.3" Intel Core 2 Duo Notebook | R6,400
Apple MacBook Air 13" 128GB | R6,800
Apple MacBook Air 13" 256GB | R7,800
Apple MacBook Air 13.3" Intel Core 2 Duo Notebook | R7,300
Apple MacBook Air MC233LL/A 13" Intel Core 2 | R7,950
Apple MacBook Pro 15" Intel Core 2 Duo Notebook | R7,000
Apple MacBook Pro 15.4" 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo | R8,000
Apple MacBook Pro MB991LL/A 13.3" Intel Core 2 | R8,000
Apple MacBook Pro 15.4" Intel Core i5 Notebook | R8,500
Apple MacBook Pro 13"2.66GHz | R8,300
Apple MacBook Pro 13"2.4GHz | R7,000
Apple MacBook Pro 13.3" Intel Core 2 Duo Notebook | R7,300
Apple MacBook Pro 15.4" Intel Core i5 Notebook | R9,200
Apple MacBook Pro 15"2.66GHz | R10,800
Apple MacBook Pro 15"2.53GHz | R9,600
Apple MacBook Pro MB470LL/A 15" Intel Core 2 | R9,800
Apple Macbook Pro 17'' i5 2.53GHZ MC024LL/A | R12,000
Apple MacBook Pro 15.4" Intel Core i7 Notebook | R10,200
Apple Macbook Pro 17" Intel Core i5 Notebook | R12,500
Apple MacBook Pro 15" Intel Core 2 Duo Notebook | R11,500
Apple MacBook Pro MC266LL/A 17" Intel Core 2= | R12,700

Epson LQ-590 Dot Matrix Printer | R2,500
Epson LQ-3090 Dot Matrix Printer | R3,500
Epson DFX-9000 Dot Matrix | R22,500
Epson DFX-9000N Dot Matrix Printer | R25,000
EPSON STYLUS PRO 11880 PLOTTER K3 64" | R65,200

HP Color LaserJet CP3525x Printer | R7,200
HP LaserJet P4015x - Black 52ppm, 128MB Std, Networked Printer | R8,000
HP LaserJet P4015dn Printer | R7,000
HP Laser Jet P4015n - Black 52 ppm, 128 MB Std,Networked Printer | R6,000
HP Designjet 510 610 mm Printer (CH336A) | R9,000
Lexmark X860de 4 Mono Multi Function Printer | R40,800

Epson EB-915W Desktop Projector  | R8,000
Epson EB-S12 Projector  |  R4,000
Epson EB-X12 Entry Level Projector  |  R4,600
Epson Eb-1950 3lcd Projector  |  R10,200
Epson EB-95 Projector  | R6,200
Epson EB-1750 Projector  |  R7,700

Canon EOS C300 Professional Cinema Camcorder Body  |  R85,500
Canon XF305 HD Professional Camcorder  |  R42,000
Canon XF300 HD Professional Camcorder  |  R36,000
Canon XF105 HD Professional Camcorder  |  R19,500
Canon XF100 HD Professional Camcorder  |  R15,500
Canon XA10 HD Professional Camcorder  |  R10,000

Panasonic AG-HMC41E Professional Camcorder (PAL) | R10,000
Panasonic AG-3DA1 Full HD 3D Camcorder | R55,000
Panasonic AG-AC130 AVCCAM HD Handheld Camcorder with Lighting Kit | R12,000
Panasonic HDC-MDH1 AVCHD Camcorder (PAL)+ Filter Davis MAX Pro Kit Bundle
| R7,500
Panasonic HDC-MDH1 AVCHD Camcorder (PAL)  + HDMI Davis MAX Pro Kit Bundle
| R7,000
Panasonic HDC-MDH1 AVCHD Camcorder (PAL) + Wide Angle/Telephoto Lenses
HDMI Davis MAX Pro HUGE Kit Bundle R8,000
Panasonic HDC-MDH1 (PAL) Professional Camcorder R6,000
Panasonic HDC-MDH1 AVCHD Camcorder (PAL) + Deluxe Camera Bag + Accessory
Saver Bundle R7,500

We offer same day delivery base on destination, please check website for
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Helpline: 079 431 6584 | 051 004 2341
Email: sales.gadgetarena@gmail.com

Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Security Meet-Up


From: John Aldrich 
Quoting "Daniel L. Appleget" :

> Any one want to sell 1gig (or larger) DDR2 at 667MHz (or better)?
> Crucial price is $18.99
> Newegg is $16.99
> Thinking this might be old enough tech someone has it gathering dust.
Have to see what I have. Dont' think I have a 1 Gig stick, though.


From: "Daniel L. Appleget" 
Any one want to sell 1gig (or larger) DDR2 at 667MHz (or better)?

Crucial price is $18.99
Newegg is $16.99

Thinking this might be old enough tech someone has it gathering dust.

Daniel Appleget
Chattanooga Computer Service

Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito

coupons.com: major web/linux fail

From: Rod 
Just got off the phone with my sister in law. I was trying to help her  
with coupons.com.
She is using a desktop with Peppermint OS, a linux distro that uses  
chromium for a lot of things including web apps.

The site kept telling her it only supported certain browsers including  
So I tried to walk her thru changing user agent after I googled the  
"chrome" user agent.
Didn't work. So I tried the site with Chrome proper on linux same effect.

I had her try to install firefox. Coupons.com let her in but then tried to  
get her to install a .exe.
She gave up.

I sent a complaint and got reply just as I was firing up the mail client.  
They must have these replys on standby.
Basically they don't support linux and few other things. Makes me wonder  
what kind of spyware they are installing.

see attached below

Thanks for contacting Coupons.com Customer Support.  Our coupon-printing  
technology is currently supported on the following computer operating  
systems and web browsers:

Microsoft Windows 8, 7, Vista, XP, Server 2003, and 2000 when used with  
Internet Explorer 8.0 or higher (32-bit only), Mozilla Firefox, Google  
Chrome, Apple Safari, Opera, and most MSN and AOL browsers.

Macintosh OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion), 10.7 (Lion), 10.6 (Snow Leopard),  
Safari 5.0 or higher, Firefox 3.7 or higher, and Google Chrome.

Coupon printing is not supported on Linux, Chrome OS, Windows 98/ME,  
WebTV, or virtual computing environments such as VMWare.   Also, the  
coupon printer may not work with "beta" releases of supported browsers,  
and is disabled in virtual computing environments.
Below is the link to the coupon that you can print at a later time where  
you are able to install the coupon printer.
Thank you for contacting us about this issue, we value your feedback. If  
you have any additional questions or concerns, please reply to this  
message so that we may assist you.


Customer Support
Coupons.com, Incorporated

Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Linux on Curriculum at Chattanooga College

From: Mike Harrison 

Partially thanks to Daniel Applegate, I got roped into
being on the advisory board at Chattanooga College (formerly ECPC).

Ok. Stop Laughing. 3+ months ago that would have been appropriate 
snickering. Things have changed.

Terry Parker took over a few months ago and has completely 
rebuilt a jobs skill focused IT program. That means it's mostly 
MS-centric, with apropos certifications (A+/CompTIA/Microsoft/Cisco..)
and focus as well as a two year Associates Degree. All new intructors, new 
computers, new labs.. an amazing transformation in about 3 months with 
more on the way.

It also includes Linux (Redhat RHCE focused) in the curriculum
as a major chunk of time! Mostly as a server it seems... but it's awesome
to see it blocked out in the curriculum formerly.


Terry would like to get more cross-pollination of the students
with local IT-centric groups, and offers some meeting/classroom
space as bait. There has been some talk about a pseudo-formal 
educational/presentational meeting or more (a half or full day)
this might be good for both groups. Of course, his interest is bringing in 
fresh perspectives, energy and people for his students as well as 
potential students or people wanting certifications.
We get a chance to share Linux/FOSS/etc..  and infect these soon to be 
corporate M$-Lackeys with a subversive strain of intelligence.

Terry is:  Terry.Parker@epbfi.....  (you can guess the rest)
if anyone wants to take him up on that offer and contact him about 


ping & tracert over EPB

From: "Daniel L. Appleget" 
**Tracing route to google-public-dns-a.google.com []**
**over a maximum of 30 hops:**
**  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.**
**  2     *        *        *     Request timed out.**
**  3     5 ms    26 ms     4 ms xe-5-0-2.edge5.Atlanta2.Level3.net 
**  4     4 ms     6 ms     4 ms**
**  5     5 ms     5 ms     5 ms ae-1-51.edge1.Atlanta4.Level3.net 
**  6     5 ms     4 ms     4 ms GOOGLE-INC.edge1.Atlanta4.Level3.net 
**  7    28 ms     4 ms     4 ms**
**  8     5 ms     5 ms     5 ms**
**  9     5 ms     5 ms     5 ms**
** 10     *        *        *     Request timed out.**
** 11     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms google-public-dns-a.google.com []**
**Trace complete.*


**Reply from bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=49**
**Reply from bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=49**
*Ping statistics for**
**    Packets: Sent = 112, Received = 112, Lost = 0 (0% loss),**
**Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:**
**    Minimum = 4ms, Maximum = 5ms, Average = 4ms**


On 9/17/2013 4:48 PM, Lynn Dixon wrote:
> I think everyone is forgetting.. EPB still needs to backhaul to some 
> other provider (Level3? ATT?) to get outside of its local area fiber. 
>  It doesn't matter if EPB offers 1 Gig fiber to your home, if they are 
> on a shared 500 meg backhaul out of Chattanooga, and going through 
> Atlanta.
> How about one of you EPF customers doing a traceroute on some packets 
> going to various places and posting them.  I'd be interested to know.
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Daniel L. Appleget 
>  > wrote:
>     Dan,
>     Let me test, what is anIP close to you I can Ping?
>     Before this announcement I have seen incredibly low pings during
>     my testing, I new EPB had made major change.

Daniel Appleget
Chattanooga Computer Service

Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito

Forum vs Listserv

From: Mike Harrison 
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013, Mike Robinson wrote:
> I want to know what's happening around here, but I can't stand a 
> Listserv much longer.  If it stays, I go.

Been nice knowing you... but I hope you stay.

Chugalug has been active since 1999. It's evolved a little since then,
and will evolve more over time. "Listserv" suck, "WebForums" suck..
both have different reasons they are each superior and inferior.
Those reasons are often different for different people.

I'll admit the recent foray into PGP/GPG and signatures has added noise to 
the list, but it is part of the evolutionary process of both the list and 
the technologies being used. The biggest factor is the people involved and 
their behaviors.

Chugalug has existed for 14+ years under my personal benevolence as an 
experiment in communal anarchy and community as much as it is a "LUG".
Its flavor dates back to the hobbies (and businesses) of several of the 
founding members that ran Bulletin Board Systems (BBS's) including myself.

If the community decries posting PGP/GPG sigs as antisocial behavior,
the more socially aware members MIGHT not post them to the list.
They might, just because they can. I'd like to let the community work that 
out over time.

My personal gripe of top posters that don't trim is a common one
for many of my more e-mail list savvy generation. While I don't like
PGP Signatures that are invasive in the body of the email compared to MIME 
attachments, I understand the tools being used and their reasons. I'd 
rather see a post from Dave or Dan with such "noise" than not have them 
post. I swap back and forth from using PINE and Apple Mail, I usually see 
-everything- in PINE and only the relevant part in Apple Mail. Maybe your 
choice or configuration of e-mail interface is part of the issue?

===Anyway, back on topic:======

A web forum.

0.  I won't host any commonly available web forum (Simple Machines Forum, 
PhpBB, etc.. ) on my personal server. I have in the past and they are so 
full of exploits and management overhead as to be not something I want to 
deal with. Anything with session/cookie based auth is a pain. Once upon 
a time I hacked SMF to use Basic Auth.. worth using.

1.  If anyone wants to set one up and host it and manage it, I'd happily 
point some DNS hostname's to it.. join the fray, explore how it worked 
with the community.

2. My personal experience with Web Forums is the tend to race to the 
bottom. The listserv format is the only barrier to being a member of 
Chugalug, and posting/conversing to 250+ people, it's just enough of a 
technical barrier to be desirable.

3.  Viva la Revolution! If the community organizes a revolt with enough 
long term commitment to be credible, I'll graciously concede. I'm a member 
of some other "LUGS" that die and rebirth every few years, fighting over
control, format, agenda, mission, checkbook, 501c3 status, meeting 

======Just saw the post about: reddit  http://www.reddit.com/r/chugalug/

Awesome. Works for me.. We could even setup a cross-posting mechanism....
a redirect.. All things are possible.

I've also seen Linked In Forums, IRC chats..  All good. Welcome to 
socially responsible anarchy. This is a "Society of Independant People"
and you can be an active force in it.

OT: Client Services aka Help Desk job at UTC

From: Reed Gregory 
Another job posting for those looking.  This is more entry level type
stuff.  Full time salary with benefits though.


Am I Paranoid?

From: Peter Veotsch 
I got a new MacBook Air a few weeks ago and am very happy with it. =A0The b=
attery life is excellent as has been reported. =A0It is a vanilla machine w=
ith VirtualBox installed and running Linux under VirtualBox.=0AThe other da=
y =A0I downloaded and installed the GNU PGP suite for Mac OS X and have bee=
n testing the email encryption. =A0I recommend it to any of you Mac users o=
ut there. Now for the paranoia.=0AThis morning at about 7:45 AM I was searc=
hing for some friends on the key servers. =A0Most of my friends don't have =
public keys, and on a lark I entered the name of Glenn Greenwald, the New Y=
ork Times and Guardian reporter who=A0=0Abroke the NSA/Snowden stories. Tur=
ns out he has a 4096 bit encryption key. =A0Within minutes my MacBook Air f=
roze up with a screen that said it had encountered a problem and quit, blan=
k screen, dead to the world. =A0Wouldn't power up.=0AAfter a few minutes it=
 came back up and reported 2 kernel panics to Apple (which I elected not to=
 send). =A0Everything seems normal now. =A0If I'm intercepted by Customs (h=
ere or in England) on my trip to Europe next week, I'll let you know. Meanw=
hile, is it coincidence or have I gotten on a list? =A0BTW =A0I'm sending t=
his from a different machine.

Apple announces the new iPhone...its gold.

From: Lynn Dixon 
Really? This is innovaton?


They did nothing for the phone.  Slightly faster processor, slightly better
camera....and its available in gold.  Oh, they tacked on a useless finger
print scanner, so now you can send your fingerprints to the NSA and the
Govenment without the hassle of being arrested! YAY!

Apple has been dead when it comes to mobile devices for a long time now.
 They have lost their innovative edge. (In my opinion, of course)

Lets discuss!