GUI development: Qt, GTK, XUL

From: "Robert A. Kelly III" 
For developing cross-platform GUI apps on Linux, how would you compare Qt versus GTK versus XUL? Which would you prefer, or in what circumstances would you prefer each? How would you compare the tutorials, resources, and developer communities available for someone new to the platform?
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

keybase... useful?

From: Ed King 
so I finally got a keybase invite...    but other than the coolness factor of being an alpha tester, is this system actually useful?    lets hear from the folks who have used it 

On Sat, 6/21/14, Mike Harrison  wrote:

 Subject: [Chugalug] Keybase Invites
 To: "Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group" 
 Date: Saturday, June 21, 2014, 6:15 AM
 I just got three invites.. 
 Initial application requires you to install Node.js locally,
 you should already have GPG.
 I haven’t had much use for it yet.. Hopefully that will

Slightly OT: Remote support tools

From: Mark Quering 
Hey all

I was wondering if anyone in the group had any suggestions on remote
support tools. I am a one man shop at this point that supports a range of
customers from a single home user to small businesses with up to 100 seats
with multiple branches and everything in between. Below I have listed some
of the must haves for the product and I was wondering if you might have
some suggestions for open source products or otherwise that you are using
and would recommend.

-I would prefer owning and hosting myself to avoid ongoing monthly payments
-Multiple platform support for both the guest and host for Win, Linux, and
OS X (bonus for Android/iOS support)
-Support for multi-monitor on the guest and preferably the host as well
-Plays well with Windows UAC (a majority of my customers are Windows shops)
-Allows for remote rebooting/reconnecting of the guest from the host
-Session encryption
-Chat/VoiP support a bonus but not required
-File transfer a bonus but not required
-Extremely easy for the guest to get connected to a support session once
initiated by the host

I am looking very closely at ScreenConnect ( I spun up
their 30 day trail on a server last week and am playing with it currently.
Pretty happy with what I'm seeing so far. It also bundles remote meeting
and remote access (persistent) along with remote support tools. Thoughts or


"Best computer you can buy for $499"

From: John Aldrich 

Microsoft Surface Pro. Wonder if you can wipe it and install Linux or
Android? :)

  John Aldrich

Fwd: [Dc404-Chat] OT, know any Android dev that wants a quick buck?

From: "" 
Any local devs want to help out? Contact Lee directly.

Stephen Haywood
Owner, ASG Consulting

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Lee Clemmer 
> Subject: [Dc404-Chat] OT, know any Android dev that wants a quick =
> Date: December 9, 2014 at 8:39:35 AM EST
> To:
> Reply-To:
> Hey,=20
> I've got an existing Android app in the Google store, but at year's =
end the v2 billing API will no longer be supported, and we need to move =
to v3. Should be a pretty simple update, as there's only one purchase =
option, it "unlocks" the whole app (just a few features, all at once).
> Anyhow, it should take very little time, I've looked at the code, and =
I could probably do it but I'd hate it if I screwed it up.=20
> So if you know any Java developer that's familiar with Google Billing =
API's and wants to make an easy buck (like maybe $500-$1K) then have =
them give me an email off list.=20
> Note I have already submitted this on Elance, where I've had good luck =
before, but (presumably) it's such a small job that lots of candidates =
here in the U.S. just aren't interested. Language barriers suck. And I'm =
not sure I trust developers in the Ukraine.
> Lee

Kickstarter project - 9V battery can be used to recharge your Android phone

From: Phil Shapiro 

This is neat -- 

And if you installed Ubuntu Linux on an Android phone, you'd be running Ubuntu using a 9V battery. 



Phil Shapiro, 

"Wisdom begins with wonder." - Socrates 
"Learning happens thru gentleness." 

fwd: [nlug] PhreakNIC now has an android app

From: Jon Nyx 
FYI; next-to-last bit of PhreakNIC spam, then I'm done 'til we start
promoting the PN 2015 May-Day Mini-con.


-----Forwarded Message-----
> From: andrew mcelroy 
> Sent: Oct 28, 2014 12:11 PM
> To: "" 
> Subject: [nlug] PhreakNIC now has an android app
> Greetings everyone,
> I wanted to get the word out that PhreakNIC now has an android mobile app.
> I have an iOS version of this app, but apple would take too long to
> approve it, so we will have to settle for deploying iOS next year.
> Respectfully,
> Andrew McElroy

Android Video Chat

From: "Robert A. Kelly III" 
Hash: SHA512

What apps do you use/recommend for video chat on Android? Obviously, I
prefer free software and open standards. I'm trying Linphone and it
looks good, but wanted to see what other people thought.
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Scripting Android (CyanogenMod)

From: "Robert A. Kelly III" 
Hash: SHA512

Does anyone know a way to automatically run a command or script when
Android (specifically CyanogenMod) establishes an internet connection?
For that matter, can you get it to automatically connect to any
available open wifi network?
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)


Android command-line

From: "Robert A. Kelly III" 
Hash: SHA512

I recently got a new smart phone running CyanogenMod 11 with the
F-Droid repository that I have been playing with. I wonder if anybody
here has played much with doing things from the command line under
Android. Does anyone have suggestions for things like taking pictures
from the camera or getting GPS coordinates from the command line? Has
anyone tried installing a Linux distro like Debian in a chroot on
their Android device? Also, has anyone played with Firefox OS or
Ubuntu Touch, or have any idea how they compare from a hackability
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Ubiquity EdgeMax (ASG)

From: Mark Quering 
Hey all

I recently sold one of these units to a customer basically to give it a
try. Needless to say at the $100 price point I was pretty happy with the

The unit has a pretty solid build quality. The web management interface is
a little rough out of the box. A firmware update helped quite a bit. I
haven't played in the CLI yet but I hear that EdgeOS is a fork of Vayatta.

The web interface worked well for a basic SOHO NAT setup with a few inbound
firewall rules. Been very stable for the two months it's been in a
production environment. I also did not get to fully test LAN to WAN
throughput of their network processor due to time constraints.

The only odd thing I noticed with the unit I deployed was that it generated
a fair bit of heat. More than I would expect. I also did not need to
contact support so I cannot speak to that aspect of the product. I would
say for the price it's definitely worth purchasing to play with.

Due to my experience with this product and good things I've heard here and
on other forums, I am seriously considering also offering their managed PoE
switches and AP's to my SMB offerings.


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> For $100 it?s worth a shot. What I would really love to find is something
> of the same size and price point that could run pfSense or m0n0wall. Anyone
> know of anything?
> Thanks,
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Dan Lyke  wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:13 PM, ASG 
> wrote:
> >> Any of you folks have experience with these
> >> Looking at
> >> one for my home office/lab network.
> >
> > Guy a few cube openings down from me whose job involves setting up
> > router-ish stuff at our fiber deployments says great things about 'em.
> >
> > I've been super impressed with my UniFi APs.
> >
> > Dan
> > 

Evil Google - Broken phone

From: Unkmar 
My phone is broken and I have about decided it is going to stay that way.
I know better than to play the race game.  if you attempt to race a
computer, you are very likely to lose.  By default Auto updates, Syncing
and such are already on during first setup of an Android device.  It
doesn't ask you if you want these.  Sure, you can turn them off, but the
damage is already done.

I need to factory wipe and reset my phone.  Setup my account without sync
and auto updates.
Install a couple of programs.  (Titanium Backup, andFTP)
Download my backups - using andFTP (Works over scp)
Restore from those backups
And finally if I so desire, allow sync, and auto-updates.

Otherwise, I restore Old stuff over New stuff thus breaking the phone and
forcing me to start over.

This brings me to my next option.  (expletive side loading)  Yeah, I get to
physically connect this Wireless device to a machine. Copy the apk's of
said couple of programs, install and use them.

Why in the world can't I disable auto updates and syncing at the browser
for my Google account.  Not per device.  per account!

Newbie Android question

From: Tyler Mittan 
Hey guys,

I have a good old Nexus 4 and I want to install Android L. I know it still
has its bugs, but I am just curious to see how it runs on my Nexus 4 before
I run out to buy the Nexus X. The directions are as follows (from XDA):


   1. Put the file onto your Internal Storage
   2. Reboot into Recovery (CWM/TWRP]
   3. "wipe data/factory reset"
   4. "mounts and storage" -> "format system"
   5. "install zip" -> "install zip from sdcard" -> choose the
   mako-bla-bla-zip and confirm flashing procedure
   6. "reboot into system"
   7. *first boot may take up to 10 minutes - be patient*

Unfortunately, though, I can't seem to be able to move anything into
storage and I do have root access. I shouldn't have a problem after step 1
so I was wondering if anyone could give me a relatively detailed
explanation as to how I can move the .zip file into the internal storage.


Running apps and heart rate monitors for Android

From: "Robert A. Kelly III" 
Hash: SHA512

I'm planning to get a new Android phone and would like to get a heart
rate monitor to use with it. Does anyone have recommendations on heart
rate monitors, device compatibility, or running/fitness apps
(preferably free as in freedom)?
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OT: LG G2 update

From: Phil Sieg 
So for anybody interested in a top of the line android phone (Quad core 2.2ghz, 2gb ram 32gb storage 5.2" screen, built in wireless charging) for under $250 here is the update.

The battery life is FANTASTIC! The rest of the phone is as well. This is as happy as I have been on Android. I spent $225 on ebay for a verizon unit because it is the only one with built in wireless charging and is FACTORY UNLOCKED for SIM cards.

So a phone that is better in many ways than a Galaxy S5 for almost a third of the price? WHAT are you waiting for???

Here is a bit about battery life:

Is blocking traffic from Tor nodes?

From: "Robert A. Kelly III" 
I'm unable to access and I'm wondering if they are blocking
traffic from Tor nodes. I am running a non-exit Tor node on my home
computer, and I get access denied from any browser on any operating
system (Firefox, Chrome, IE, or Android browser on Linux, Windows, or
Android) when connecting from my home internet connection. My Android
phone can access it from 3G, but not my home wifi. If I bypass my router
by directly plugging in a laptop I can access it, but only because I get
a different IP address. If I spoof my routers MAC address so that I get
the same IP address, it is blocked again. I also found that when I
connect using the Tor Browser, I get access denied, so it is not just my
IP address that is being blocked. Can anyone else verify whether they
are able to access through Tor or from a non-exit Tor node?

ios remote support was lunch downtown today?

From: Sparky 
Apple has some config tools available. Maybe it has some kind of remote
config options for profiles or something?

On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Ed King  wrote:

> Thanks, thats a good summary article.  I forwarded it to McTightwad but he
> is still asking me to find a way to remotely configure iphone email.  We
> installed an in-house iredmail server last week.  Our old hosted email was
> POP now we have IMAP.   *Before* we made the switchover, we posted
> instructions [with screenshots] on how to reconfigure iphones for the new
> system, but the boss says we are asking too much from our field workers and
> that we should remotely configure their iphones for them.
> Excerpt from field worker job description:
> "Moderate to excellent computer ability."
> "Proven proficiency of modern equipment including cell phones, fax
> machines, scanners, computers, palm or other hand held devices, GPS, and
> printers."
> So are we expecting too much?   The documentation is clear and concise.  I
> had one field worker (a new guy) say it was the most helpful documentation
> he's ever read and offered to buy my lunch when he's in town.   Its the
> upper level folks who are having trouble following the directions.  Go
> figure.
> oh, sorry,  am I being negative?    Ok, I'll go home and stick my tongue
> to the Mac Plus flyback and get some positive electrons in me.
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 8/14/14, William Roush  wrote:
>  Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ios remote support  was Re:  lunch downtown today?
>  To: "Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group">
>  Date: Thursday, August 14, 2014, 3:35 PM
>  ScreenConnect wrote a
>  nice page about it:
>  TL;DR: Apple is mean
>  William Roush
>  423-463-0592
>  On 8/14/2014
>  1:54 PM, Ed King wrote:
>  > Walked down to
>  Doctor Bldg.     Sorry you didn't get to see
>  me!
>  >
>  >
>  > So...   whats the
>  "best" remote support solution for iphone? (eg: to
>  tap INTO the iphone)
>  >
>  > I can't find one that offers full
>  remote control w/o jailbreaking, so whats the next best
>  thing?   Looked at Logmein, Teamviewer, Bomgar so
>  far
>  >
>  > as this is for
>  Mr McTightwad, I'm looking for the most expensive
>  product available
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  --------------------------------------------
>  > On Thu, 8/14/14, Ed King 
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >   Subject: Re: [Chugalug] lunch
>  downtown today?
>  >   To:
>  "Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group"
>  >   Date: Thursday, August 14,
>  2014, 11:30 AM
>  >
>  >   maybe.   depends
>  on
>  >   where and when
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >   --------------------------------------------
>  >   On Thu, 8/14/14, Rod-Lists
>  >   wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  Subject: [Chugalug]
>  >   lunch
>  downtown today?
>  >    To:
>  "Chattanooga
>  >   Unix Gnu
>  Android Linux Users Group" 
>  >    Date: Thursday, August 14, 2014,
>  10:01 AM
>  >
>  >
>    Whole office is on the
>  >   road.
>  >
>    Anyone up for lunch downtown?
>  >
>  >
>  >    Rod
>  >
>  >   

ios remote support was lunch downtown today?

From: Ed King 
Walked down to Doctor Bldg.     Sorry you didn't get to see me!

So...   whats the "best" remote support solution for iphone? (eg: to tap IN=
TO the iphone)

I can't find one that offers full remote control w/o jailbreaking, so whats=
 the next best thing?   Looked at Logmein, Teamviewer, Bomgar so far

as this is for Mr McTightwad, I'm looking for the most expensive product av=

On Thu, 8/14/14, Ed King  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] lunch downtown today?
 To: "Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group" 
 Date: Thursday, August 14, 2014, 11:30 AM

 maybe.=A0=A0=A0depends on
 where and when



 On Thu, 8/14/14, Rod-Lists 

  Subject: [Chugalug]
 lunch downtown today?
  To: "Chattanooga
 Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group" 
  Date: Thursday, August 14, 2014, 10:01 AM

  Whole office is on the
  Anyone up for lunch downtown?




(OT) Greetings from Doha, Qatar -WiFi antenna

From: Stephen Kraus 
Hey all!

Two pronged question:
One, anyone have a medium - long range wifi antenna they are willing to
ship to Qatar for an Armed Forces Member?

Two, anyone have an unlocked android phone with a sim card slot and
GSM/CDMA international abilities?

It was about 120 degrees today on the apron of the base.

Just Testing

From: Mike Harrison 

On Jul 24, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT)  wrote:

> I think he was trying to invoke Godwin's Law, ending any conversation before they started. ;)

Alex Got It!  

I was also testing the categorization filter on the website. 


Some of those are keywords.