Getting an OS Conference like this one in Chattanooga

From: Lisa Ridley 
------------------------------------------------------
http://allthingsopen.org/schedule/

So, I=92m at All Things Open this week (Phil Shapiro is presenting tomorrow=
), and it totally rocks.  The folks at IT-ology have done a fantastic job o=
rganizing this one.

So, what do we have to do to get a conference like this organized and held =
in Chattanooga?

After all, we are the Gig City=85.I can=92t think of a better way to promot=
e it than something like this.  (And, I don=92t want to have to drive to Ra=
leigh, Spartanburg, Columbia, Atlanta or fly to Austin or San Francisco to =
attend quality conferences OS Conferences =97 yes I have an ulterior motive=
).



Ubiquity EdgeMax (ASG)

From: Mark Quering 
------------------------------------------------------
Hey all


I recently sold one of these units to a customer basically to give it a
try. Needless to say at the $100 price point I was pretty happy with the
device.

The unit has a pretty solid build quality. The web management interface is
a little rough out of the box. A firmware update helped quite a bit. I
haven't played in the CLI yet but I hear that EdgeOS is a fork of Vayatta.

The web interface worked well for a basic SOHO NAT setup with a few inbound
firewall rules. Been very stable for the two months it's been in a
production environment. I also did not get to fully test LAN to WAN
throughput of their network processor due to time constraints.

The only odd thing I noticed with the unit I deployed was that it generated
a fair bit of heat. More than I would expect. I also did not need to
contact support so I cannot speak to that aspect of the product. I would
say for the price it's definitely worth purchasing to play with.

Due to my experience with this product and good things I've heard here and
on other forums, I am seriously considering also offering their managed PoE
switches and AP's to my SMB offerings.


Best
Mark

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>
> For $100 it?s worth a shot. What I would really love to find is something
> of the same size and price point that could run pfSense or m0n0wall. Anyone
> know of anything?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Dan Lyke  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:13 PM, ASG 
> wrote:
> >> Any of you folks have experience with these
> >> http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/. Looking at
> >> one for my home office/lab network.
> >
> > Guy a few cube openings down from me whose job involves setting up
> > router-ish stuff at our fiber deployments says great things about 'em.
> >
> > I've been super impressed with my UniFi APs.
> >
> > Dan
> > 

IT folks at Coyoto laid off

From: David White 
------------------------------------------------------
I've heard through the grape vine that a number of folks working in IT for
Coyote Logistics (who were originally working for / with Access America
Transport and were caught up in the merger) have been fired.

Not only were they all originally promised "their jobs stay here" in
Chattanooga and that they wouldn't be fired after the merger, but
apparently at least 1 of them is expecting a new kid next month.

I know of at least 1 person who is on Chugalug - I don't think anyone else
is.

That said, I'm emailing to see if you guys know of anyone hiring.

There's some folks with engineering / infrastructure backgrounds as well as
folks with Customer Service / Tier 1 tech support backgrounds that are
needing a job right about now.

- David

-- 
David White
Founder & CEO

*Develop CENTS *
Computing, Equipping, Networking, Training & Supporting
Organizations Worldwide
http://developcents.com

Fwd: Great UNIX Admin/Architect Opportunity in Atlanta, GA

From: David White 
------------------------------------------------------
I'm still waiting for my new iPad... Surely one of these times, someone on
Chugalug will get hired for a job I pass on to them, right?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Chris Dececco 
Date: Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:10 PM
Subject: Great UNIX Admin/Architect Opportunity in Atlanta, GA
To: DavidWhite 


Hi David!

I am a recruiter here at CyberCoders who specializes in placing UNIX
Admin/Architect candidates as well as similar positions in Atlanta, GA and
other locations nationwide.

I am emailing you in case you think you would be a great fit for the
position listed below.  Please check out the link and apply if you are
interested in hearing more about the job.  :)

Also - If you refer a friend I end up placing at any of my open jobs, I
will give you an iPad for the referral!

This position is for a UNIX Admin/Architect in Atlanta, GA.

*For more details on this job or to apply simply visit CyberCoders:*

*http://www.CyberCoders.com/qc.aspx?posId=CD-unixarch&ad=CSNPCBChris.DeCecco
*

*Not a fit for this job?  Search all of our open jobs:*

*http://www.CyberCoders.com/qa.aspx?ad=CSNPCBChris.DeCecco&sterm=
*

You can use the link below at any time if you would like us to hold off on
emails to you about new opportunities.



 Thank you,
Chris

Chris Dececco  | Lead Recruiter | CyberCoders
949.783.3626 | Follow Us: 

 | View My Bio and Open Jobs

ArchLinux vs Ubuntu

From: Dan Lyke 
------------------------------------------------------
I have an old netbook with a new SSD. Yesterday I put Xubuntu on it,
but I'm wondering about things that do a better job of keeping Gnome
off my system, or otherwise being lighter weight than Xubuntu.

My one requirement is that I'd like to run Mixxx (which Arch supports)
or something similar (ie: music playing with easy tempo shifting,
queuing, and a few set points) on this machine. I'm noticing that a
couple of the cool kids these days are running ArchLinux, mostly on
semi-embedded systems.

Anyone got thoughts on this matter?

Dan

The trouble with the USPTO

From: Eric Wolf 
------------------------------------------------------
I just got an email from IEEE about a career fair at the USPTO office in
Denver. They specifically are in need of electrical, computer and
mechanical engineers. Seeing the claim of "USPTO was ranked the #1 Best
Place to Work in the Federal Government(R)", I checked the listing on
USAJOBS:

https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/380517100

Entry level will be a GS-7, which means a starting salary below $50K. If I
could get best the education requirements (I know the USGS counted the
number of course hours I had in each subject and used that as a hard gate
for applicants), I'd probably get to start back at my old rank of GS-9 Step
3 with a salary of $56K. Or a little less than half what I make now...

USPTO needs to pay patent examiners competitive salaries or we are going to
continue dealing with Patent Trolls with portfolios of crap patents...

-Eric

-=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=-
Eric B. Wolf                           720-334-7734

ios remote support was lunch downtown today?

From: Sparky 
------------------------------------------------------
Apple has some config tools available. Maybe it has some kind of remote
config options for profiles or something?
http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/business/



On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Ed King  wrote:

> Thanks, thats a good summary article.  I forwarded it to McTightwad but he
> is still asking me to find a way to remotely configure iphone email.  We
> installed an in-house iredmail server last week.  Our old hosted email was
> POP now we have IMAP.   *Before* we made the switchover, we posted
> instructions [with screenshots] on how to reconfigure iphones for the new
> system, but the boss says we are asking too much from our field workers and
> that we should remotely configure their iphones for them.
>
> Excerpt from field worker job description:
>
> "Moderate to excellent computer ability."
> "Proven proficiency of modern equipment including cell phones, fax
> machines, scanners, computers, palm or other hand held devices, GPS, and
> printers."
>
> So are we expecting too much?   The documentation is clear and concise.  I
> had one field worker (a new guy) say it was the most helpful documentation
> he's ever read and offered to buy my lunch when he's in town.   Its the
> upper level folks who are having trouble following the directions.  Go
> figure.
>
> oh, sorry,  am I being negative?    Ok, I'll go home and stick my tongue
> to the Mac Plus flyback and get some positive electrons in me.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 8/14/14, William Roush  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ios remote support  was Re:  lunch downtown today?
>  To: "Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group"  chugalug@chugalug.org>
>  Date: Thursday, August 14, 2014, 3:35 PM
>
>  ScreenConnect wrote a
>  nice page about it:
>
>  http://www.screenconnect.com/Mobile-Device-Remote-Support
>
>  TL;DR: Apple is mean
>
>  William Roush
>  william.roush@roushtech.net
>  423-463-0592
>
>  http://www.roushtech.net/blog/
>
>
>  On 8/14/2014
>  1:54 PM, Ed King wrote:
>  > Walked down to
>  Doctor Bldg.     Sorry you didn't get to see
>  me!
>  >
>  >
>  > So...   whats the
>  "best" remote support solution for iphone? (eg: to
>  tap INTO the iphone)
>  >
>  > I can't find one that offers full
>  remote control w/o jailbreaking, so whats the next best
>  thing?   Looked at Logmein, Teamviewer, Bomgar so
>  far
>  >
>  > as this is for
>  Mr McTightwad, I'm looking for the most expensive
>  product available
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  --------------------------------------------
>  > On Thu, 8/14/14, Ed King 
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >   Subject: Re: [Chugalug] lunch
>  downtown today?
>  >   To:
>  "Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group"
>  
>  >   Date: Thursday, August 14,
>  2014, 11:30 AM
>  >
>  >   maybe.   depends
>  on
>  >   where and when
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >   --------------------------------------------
>  >   On Thu, 8/14/14, Rod-Lists
>  
>  >   wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  Subject: [Chugalug]
>  >   lunch
>  downtown today?
>  >    To:
>  "Chattanooga
>  >   Unix Gnu
>  Android Linux Users Group" 
>  >    Date: Thursday, August 14, 2014,
>  10:01 AM
>  >
>  >
>    Whole office is on the
>  >   road.
>  >
>    Anyone up for lunch downtown?
>  >
>
>  >
>  >    Rod
>  >
>  >   

Looking for contractor Technicians

From: David White 
------------------------------------------------------
I know I probably sound like a broken record, as I've asked this question a
number of times over the past year or two.

But if you know of anyone interested in some freelance / contract /
as-needed PC repair and basic PC troubleshooting & network jobs, please
have 'em contact me: david [at] developcents dot com

Note: if you try to contact me tomorrow or anytime next week, I won't
respond until the following week, as I'm going to be out of town.

But yet again, I've had the situation come up where I need someone to do
something for me because I'm not available to do it (this time it's not an
emergency, thankfully, and I think I have a contractor who can handle the
job - but I need to confirm that by this evening at the latest)

-- 
David White
Founder & CEO

*Develop CENTS *
Computing, Equipping, Networking, Training & Supporting
Nonprofit Organizations Worldwide
http://developcents.com
423-693-4234

Just Testing

From: Mike Harrison 
------------------------------------------------------

On Jul 24, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT)  wrote:

> I think he was trying to invoke Godwin's Law, ending any conversation before they started. ;)


Alex Got It!  

I was also testing the categorization filter on the website. 

Vi/Emacs/Joe/Nano/Pico/Hitler/UFO/Redhat/Ubuntu/Mint/Bodhi/Debian/Android/Jobs/Salaries/EPB/Diesel/Chugalunch/Meeting

Some of those are keywords. 



pfSense in Birmingham

From: David White 
------------------------------------------------------
Anyone have experience w/ pfSense and are based out of Birmingham?

If you'd be interested in doing a 1-2 hour job for me, send me your rates,
and if you save me from having to drive all that way, I'd be eternally
grateful.

-- 
David White
Founder & CEO

*Develop CENTS *
Computing, Equipping, Networking, Training & Supporting
Nonprofit Organizations Worldwide
http://developcents.com
423-693-4234

OT: Job in Knoxville

From: Bret McHone 
------------------------------------------------------
Our new position is finally posted so if anyone is interested the East TN
Children's Hospital has an opening for a Systems Administrator. Apply at
our site: www.etch.com.

It's day shift and the individual will working alongside me. I believe the
pay will be comparable to experience/skill set though I'm not privy to that
info. Below are the "details" which are loosely defined. Feel free to pass
the info along to anyone interested and if you have questions feel free to
contact me off-list.

*Basic Purpose of the Job:*  Designs, implements, maintains and administers
day-to-day operations of a large scale server infrastructure comprised of
both physical and virtual servers.  This will include building servers from
customer/vendor provided specifications.  Works with a team to deploy,
monitor and maintain servers and applications.  Implement, configure and
support the VMware suite of applications.

*Minimum Education Requirements: *Bachelor=E2=80=99s degree in Computer Sci=
ence or
related field required *OR* Associates Degree and equivalent work
experience.

*Required Licenses/Certifications: *Certification in the VMware product
suite is highly desired.

*Minimum Work Experience:* 2+ years of IT work experience required.
Experience in a hospital IT environment strongly preferred.  Experience
with the VMware product suite preferred.

*Required Skills, Knowledge, and Abilities*:  Expertise in administration
of the following: Windows Server, Active Directory, MS Exchange, WSUS,
VMware vSphere, VMware Horizon View required.
Ability to work effectively in a team environment.  Ability to communicate
with others effectively no matter their computer skill level. Ability to
diagnose and troubleshoot complex server issues. Ability to self-motivate
and self-learn.

*Physical Requirements:* Heavy lifting, pushing and pulling is required up
to 50 lbs occasionally, 20-30 lbs frequently and 10 lbs constantly to move
objects of up to 150 lbs.  Sudden emergency situations have the potential
for exposure to lifting or moving of up to 150 lbs.  Frequent bending,
walking, sitting, squatting, reaching and standing are required.
Keyboard/computer use and/or repetitive motions may be required.  *Note:
Reasonable accommodations may be made for individuals with disabilities to
perform the essential functions of this position.*

hiring

From: Christopher Rimondi 
------------------------------------------------------
We are hiring if you know anyone who fits this:

http://newton.newtonsoftware.com/career/JobIntroduction.action?clientId=8aa00506326e915601326f65b82e1fcb&id=8a32181446937e290146afb8652b3b14&source=%200

Ping me off list.

-- 
Chris Rimondi | http://twitter.com/crimondi | securitygrit.com

Need someone for Contract work

From: David White 
------------------------------------------------------
I have an injured fiance to take care of and have two jobs I need help with.

1) Finish up that pfSense + OpenVPN job I asked about last night.

2) Switch out a wireless router for a client (its already configured) and
finish up a virus / malware scan on a PC in the same office (its a Windows
7 machine).

If you are available and I interested, please send me your rates, or call
me.

OT: job in Knoxville to be posted soon

From: Andrew Rodgers 
------------------------------------------------------
Bret, do you attend the LOPSA-ETENN meetings? Might be a good forum for
recruiting for that position.
http://lopsaetenn.org/

Andrew
=E1=90=A7

Andrew Rodgers
GIGTANK 2014
Technologist-in-Residence
256-508-7610


On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Bret McHone  wrote:

> I am working with my manager to get a job posted for a Windows
> server/active directory/exchange/vmware vsphere and view admin. It will b=
e
> a peer position to me.
>
> If anyone is interested then brush up your resume and we hope to have the
> job and all details posted in about a week at www.etch.com
>
> As soon as the details are finalized and the job is posted I'll send out
> another email if anyone is interested. I do not know pay range, but I do
> know we have awesome benefits and its a great place to work. 403b,
> pension,  health, vision, dental, free life insurance, lots of PTO (start
> out with 2 weeks/year) and no shortage of projects.
>
> -B
>
> 

I'm baaaaaaack!

From: Ed King 
------------------------------------------------------
Got bumped off the list back in mid May due to "too many bounces".    Been checking chugalug.org webpage occasionally for any job announcements or hardware sells/freebies ;-)

I stayed unsubbed for awhile (and missed Hack-a-nooga too) because I needed to focus on our latest and biggest client rollout, which went "live" on 6/2/2014.    To "save money" we switched hardware platforms a few weeks before rollout (went from $800 kids-toy netbooks to $300 Dell Venue tablets), but the software platform stayed the same (albeit with some custom mods for the new client):    lamp stack (linux/apache/php/mysql) on qemu.    Why are we running in a vm/emulator?  Well its a long story but a previous 3rd party vendor wrote our field software.  This 3rd party vendor required Windows netbooks.  Their software was slow and flakey (as you'd expect from dot-net) so we ditched them and rewrote the field software in-house (like we wanted to do in the first place, and we did it in less than half the time, and still had more features and flexibility!).    But... we couldn't just throw out twenty $800 netbooks, so we leveraged that hardware "investment"
 by using qemu to run our lampp stack, thinking that it would also be portable if we ever moved to android (does anyone know of a qemu package for android that doesn't SUCK?)

Back-end:   For "security" this client did not want their data on the same server as our other clients, so I set up a new Debian server just for them.  HTTPS and automated sftp file transfers. 

Well now that this new client is up 'n running, I figured it was time for me to re-sub, so...  I'm back.  This new client is our biggest client to-date, and has doubled the amount of inspectors in the field (and doubled the data collection too...  thank goodness we solved that mysql lock problem we used to have).   Things are running smoothly!   I dare say that the support calls have somehow decreased (oh great, now I've jinxed us).    

Props to our little I.T. team:    Danny "dj" Smith Jada "coldfish" Case, and Master Ed :)









Need 48-port switch (nothing fancy)

From: David White 
------------------------------------------------------
Anyone have any old 48-port switch I could take off your hands (or pay you
a little something)? Doesn't need to be anything fancy. A 10/100 would
do... I just need something so that I can work on a bunch of PCs for a
client at once.

If I can keep it (or pay you a little bit, even, so I *can* keep it),
that'd be even better.

I lent my Catalyst 4000 to someone, and besides, that's really bulky anyway
for going to on-site jobs like the one I'm getting ready to do next week.

Thanks!

-- 
David White
Founder & CEO

*Develop CENTS *
Computing, Equipping, Networking, Training & Supporting
Nonprofit Organizations Worldwide
http://developcents.com
423-693-4234

Chattanoogans on Net Neutrality

From: David White 
------------------------------------------------------
http://www.nooga.com/166718/chattanoogans-respond-to-fcc-on-net-neutrality/

Chloe and I emailed back and forth quite a bit late last week as she worked
on this article. A few of you, in past emails, asked to see the FCC's
statement.

Here's the full text of the FCC's proposal, dated May 15 (I sent this to
Chloe, too).
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily

Redefining broadband as common carrier, was: "How to throttle the FCC to dial up modem speeds on your website using Ngin

From: Stephen Kraus 
------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, I'd rather have the more modern and less corrupt devils than the ones
that I know are already sold hook, line, and sinker.


On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Billy  wrote:

> You're trading your devils for different versions...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 18, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Stephen Kraus  wrote:
>
> Comcast can burn in hell. EPB and Google Fiber will save the day.
>
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Rod  wrote:
>
>>
>> As someone who is sometimes active in the EMA community , the fact that
>> we might just throw away that copper infrastructure scares me.
>> A lot of times in a disaster there is no home power but the copper
>> twisted pair still just works.
>>
>> As to your second point I give you that. Until EPB , I didn't have choice
>> AT&T doesn't even offer DSL at my current location.
>> I will give comcast this one point. The do have local customer service.
>> Ma Bell hasn't had that in Chattanooga in a long time.
>> In fact my sister law had to move to Nashville when Bellsouth moved all
>> those jobs to Nashville.
>>
>> Rod
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 13:29:20 -0400, Joseph Simoneau > joseph.simoneau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's an interesting idea, rob. But, given what's been happening over
>> the last couple years and the history of what happened to the POTS
>> controls, do you really think ANYBODY would go for that?
>>
>> I just want somebody other than Comcast to come to my apartment so I can
>> threaten them with switching if they try to charge me for not fixing
>> something again.
>>
>> -js
>> On May 18, 2014 11:02 AM, "Rod"  wrote:
>>
>>> Which is why I have thought since the 90's that cities should run fiber
>>> to home the rent it out to comcast, charter, epb etc.
>>> Unlike water pipes fiber can handle more than one utility.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 10:33:41 -0400, Robert A. Kelly III >> bluethegrappler@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 05/17/2014 11:31 PM, Rod wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/05/understanding-the-new-battle-over-net-neutrality/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 17 May 2014 18:16:09 -0400, Robert A. Kelly III
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 05/12/2014 09:21 AM, Rod wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shouldn't we push the FCC to redifine broadband as common carrier.
>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>> CAN do that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What exactly are the implications of redefining it as common carrier?
>>>>>> Is
>>>>>> this a good way to protect net neutrality?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That was an interesting read. On the surface it sounds like classifying
>>>> broadband as common carrier would be a good thing. But then it sounds
>>>> like there is some provision requiring ISPs to allow others to use their
>>>> network, something along the lines of having Mediacom run lines to my
>>>> home but being able to choose Comcast as my ISP, but I'm not sure how
>>>> that sort of arrangement would work. It sounds like there is some
>>>> concern that this would remove incentive from ISPs to build out
>>>> infrastructure, which is something we would clearly rather encourage. So
>>>> I'm still not sure if reclassifying broadband is a good solution.
>>>>
>>>> 

Redefining broadband as common carrier, was: "How to throttle the FCC to dial up modem speeds on your website using Ngin

From: Billy 
------------------------------------------------------
You're trading your devils for different versions...

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Stephen Kraus  wrote:=

>=20
> Comcast can burn in hell. EPB and Google Fiber will save the day.
>=20
>=20
>> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Rod  wrote:
>>=20
>> As someone who is sometimes active in the EMA community , the fact that w=
e might just throw away that copper infrastructure scares me.
>> A lot of times in a disaster there is no home power but the copper twiste=
d pair still just works.
>>=20
>> As to your second point I give you that. Until EPB , I didn't have choice=
 AT&T doesn't even offer DSL at my current location.
>> I will give comcast this one point. The do have local customer service. M=
a Bell hasn't had that in Chattanooga in a long time.
>> In fact my sister law had to move to Nashville when Bellsouth moved all t=
hose jobs to Nashville.
>>=20
>> Rod
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 13:29:20 -0400, Joseph Simoneau  wrote:
>>=20
>> That's an interesting idea, rob. But, given what's been happening over th=
e last couple years and the history of what happened to the POTS controls, d=
o you really think ANYBODY would go for that?
>>=20
>> I just want somebody other than Comcast to come to my apartment so I can t=
hreaten them with switching if they try to charge me for not fixing somethin=
g again.
>>=20
>> -js
>>=20
>>> On May 18, 2014 11:02 AM, "Rod"  wrote:
>>> Which is why I have thought since the 90's that cities should run fiber t=
o home the rent it out to comcast, charter, epb etc.
>>> Unlike water pipes fiber can handle more than one utility.
>>>=20
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 10:33:41 -0400, Robert A. Kelly III  wrote:
>>>=20
>>>>> On 05/17/2014 11:31 PM, Rod wrote:
>>>>> http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/05/understanding-the-new-battle-over-net-neu=
trality/
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Sat, 17 May 2014 18:16:09 -0400, Robert A. Kelly III
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> On 05/12/2014 09:21 AM, Rod wrote:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Shouldn't we push the FCC to redifine broadband as common carrier. T=
hey
>>>>>>> CAN do that.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> What exactly are the implications of redefining it as common carrier?=
 Is
>>>>>> this a good way to protect net neutrality?
>>>>=20
>>>> That was an interesting read. On the surface it sounds like classifying=

>>>> broadband as common carrier would be a good thing. But then it sounds
>>>> like there is some provision requiring ISPs to allow others to use thei=
r
>>>> network, something along the lines of having Mediacom run lines to my
>>>> home but being able to choose Comcast as my ISP, but I'm not sure how
>>>> that sort of arrangement would work. It sounds like there is some
>>>> concern that this would remove incentive from ISPs to build out
>>>> infrastructure, which is something we would clearly rather encourage. S=
o
>>>> I'm still not sure if reclassifying broadband is a good solution.
>>>>=20
>>>> 

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From: Stephen Kraus 
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Comcast can burn in hell. EPB and Google Fiber will save the day.


On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Rod  wrote:

>
> As someone who is sometimes active in the EMA community , the fact that we
> might just throw away that copper infrastructure scares me.
> A lot of times in a disaster there is no home power but the copper twisted
> pair still just works.
>
> As to your second point I give you that. Until EPB , I didn't have choice
> AT&T doesn't even offer DSL at my current location.
> I will give comcast this one point. The do have local customer service. Ma
> Bell hasn't had that in Chattanooga in a long time.
> In fact my sister law had to move to Nashville when Bellsouth moved all
> those jobs to Nashville.
>
> Rod
>
>
> On Sun, 18 May 2014 13:29:20 -0400, Joseph Simoneau  joseph.simoneau@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's an interesting idea, rob. But, given what's been happening over the
> last couple years and the history of what happened to the POTS controls, do
> you really think ANYBODY would go for that?
>
> I just want somebody other than Comcast to come to my apartment so I can
> threaten them with switching if they try to charge me for not fixing
> something again.
>
> -js
> On May 18, 2014 11:02 AM, "Rod"  wrote:
>
>> Which is why I have thought since the 90's that cities should run fiber
>> to home the rent it out to comcast, charter, epb etc.
>> Unlike water pipes fiber can handle more than one utility.
>>
>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 10:33:41 -0400, Robert A. Kelly III > bluethegrappler@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  On 05/17/2014 11:31 PM, Rod wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/05/understanding-the-new-battle-over-net-neutrality/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 May 2014 18:16:09 -0400, Robert A. Kelly III
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  On 05/12/2014 09:21 AM, Rod wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shouldn't we push the FCC to redifine broadband as common carrier.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> CAN do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What exactly are the implications of redefining it as common carrier?
>>>>> Is
>>>>> this a good way to protect net neutrality?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> That was an interesting read. On the surface it sounds like classifying
>>> broadband as common carrier would be a good thing. But then it sounds
>>> like there is some provision requiring ISPs to allow others to use their
>>> network, something along the lines of having Mediacom run lines to my
>>> home but being able to choose Comcast as my ISP, but I'm not sure how
>>> that sort of arrangement would work. It sounds like there is some
>>> concern that this would remove incentive from ISPs to build out
>>> infrastructure, which is something we would clearly rather encourage. So
>>> I'm still not sure if reclassifying broadband is a good solution.
>>>
>>>