routing around cost of broadcast radio with linux

From: Rod-Lists 
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I know of couple groups trying to get a spot on the radio dial.=20
Suffice to say the way the biz is currently run that almost next to impossi=
ble due cost and the fact that=C2=A0community groups are never told when a =
station is up for sale. (see WAWL or WDYN).=20

My idea is to use wifi hot spots and phone apps as access points.
And build the station using rivendell (linux).

My question is do y'all think there is a market for entertaiment plus good =
"local news" and information on the net?

=============================================================== From: Bobby ------------------------------------------------------ Absolutely, but what is wrong with the podcast model? It allows for time-shifting and post production in a way that this type of "broadcast" wouldn't. Plus, there is preexisting infrastructure.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I'm not sure I understand what you are saying about hot spots and phone app= s - but it's not difficult to get your own online "radio" station. As was asked earlier, why reinvent the wheel? There are services that give you a place to upload your playlist - Live365 for example. There are also free services that let you stream live video and audio, 24/7 - livestream.comust= ream justin.tv One of my jobs is for a broadcaster, he's on hundreds of different radio stations across the country, and while we've had podcasts and audio archive= s for years, he just started his own "station" on Live365. Now I really don't understand the purpose, personally, because all the stuf= f he's streaming is available on the website already in archives - but perhap= s some people would rather just listen passively than search for a given topic. That said - before starting a radio station, I would ask what benefit it has over something like a podcast, blog, or YouTube channel, tha= t are free, and give you just as much freedom to share local news or promote your cause as a radio station would, only they are cataloged, categorized, archived, and one does not have to "tune in" at a certain time to hear your message. The move is towards on demand - that's why DVRs, NetFlix, and MP3 Players are so popular. People don't want to listen to what you want them to liste= n to when you want them to listen to it - they want to listen to what they want when they want. People pay hundreds of dollars for an mp3 player, and then 99=A2 a song for the freedom of choice, rather than pay $1 at the Doll= ar Tree for an FM Radio, with free music 24/7. Even so-called Internet Radio providers like Pandora and Last.fm are customized playlists for what the listener likes as opposed to what some DJ tells them is cool. The proceeding is simply my opinion, and does not constitute an attack on anyone. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - Februar= y 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya n a d

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ certainly that could be one component.=20 Especially if you want monetize the model.=20 But I looking to bring back live local radio.=20 As opposed to the slum lord media (local media owned by outside interests, = driven by those interests)=C2=A0we have today.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Bobby" =20 To: "CHUGALUG" =20 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:57:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] routing around cost of broadcast radio with linux= =20 Absolutely, but what is wrong with the podcast model? It allows for time-sh= ifting and post production in a way that this type of "broadcast" wouldn't.= Plus, there is=C2=A0preexisting=C2=A0infrastructure.=20 =20 I know of couple groups trying to get a spot on the radio dial.=20 Suffice to say the way the biz is currently run that almost next to impossi= ble due cost and the fact that=C2=A0community groups are never told when a = station is up for sale. (see WAWL or WDYN).=20 My idea is to use wifi hot spots and phone apps as access points.=20 And build the station using rivendell (linux).=20 My question is do y'all think there is a market for entertaiment plus good = "local news" and information on the net?=20

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:57:58 -0400 Bobby wrote: I'm with Bobby. Radio seems like it's become the medium for when I forgot my MP3 player. Licensing for music costs a little bit, but at this point there are some really good music podcasts out there (Coverville and Nine Bullets!), and precious few good local news sources (of any medium). Dan

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ good points. And I think modern radio needs to do pod casts right.=20 I think WUTS has a good structure. But they forget to add the archives.=20 However news by it's definition needs to live.=20 Archived news is only good to historians.=20 There is something to said for live media.=20 For example a train derails and blocks off Amnicolo.=20 W orse one of its tankers is leaking.=20 Does a podcast help in that situation?=20 This also shows the weakness of traffic and news on the net.=20 A commuter won't have access to wifi. And 3g or 4g Isn't everywhere yet.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Chad Smith" =20 To: "CHUGALUG" =20 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:58:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] routing around cost of broadcast radio with linux= =20 I'm not sure I understand what you are saying about hot spots and phone app= s - but it's not difficult to get your own online "radio" station. =C2=A0As= was asked earlier, why reinvent the wheel? =C2=A0There are services that g= ive you a place to upload your playlist - Live365 for example. =C2=A0There = are also free services that let you stream live video and audio, 24/7 - liv= estream.com ustream justin.tv=20 One of my jobs is for a broadcaster, he's on hundreds of different radio st= ations across the country, and while we've had podcasts and audio archives = for years, he just started his own "station" on Live365.=20 Now I really don't understand the purpose, personally, because all the stuf= f he's streaming is available on the website already in archives - but perh= aps some people would rather just listen passively than search for a given = topic. =C2=A0That said - before starting a radio station, I would ask what = benefit it has over something like a podcast, blog, or YouTube channel, tha= t are free, and give you just as much freedom to share local news or promot= e your cause as a radio station would, only they are cataloged, categorized= , archived, and one does not have to "tune in" at a certain time to hear yo= ur message.=C2=A0=20 The move is towards on demand - that's why DVRs, NetFlix, and MP3 Players a= re so popular. =C2=A0People don't want to listen to what you want them to l= isten to when you want them to listen to it - they want to listen to what t= hey want when they want. =C2=A0People pay hundreds of dollars for an mp3 pl= ayer, and then 99=C2=A2 a song for the freedom of choice, rather than pay $= 1 at the Dollar Tree for an FM Radio, with free music 24/7. =C2=A0Even so-c= alled Internet Radio providers like Pandora and Last.fm are customized play= lists for what the listener likes as opposed to what some DJ tells them is = cool.=20 The proceeding is simply my opinion, and does not constitute an attack on a= nyone.=20 - Chad W Smith=20 "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - Februar= y 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya=20 =20 I know of couple groups trying to get a spot on the radio dial.=20 Suffice to say the way the biz is currently run that almost next to impossi= ble due cost and the fact that=C2=A0community groups are never told when a = station is up for sale. (see WAWL or WDYN).=20 My idea is to use wifi hot spots and phone apps as access points.=20 And build the station using rivendell (linux).=20 My question is do y'all think there is a market for entertaiment plus good = "local news" and information on the net?=20

=============================================================== From: Bobby ------------------------------------------------------ If you want to go the live route, you could always go with streaming, then release shows as podcasts to get the best of both worlds. If you do this, I would really like to get involved. I have been a huge fan of podcasting and broadcasting in general for a long time, but haven't been able to get off my ass and do something about it.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Rees ------------------------------------------------------ I like my mp3 player when the radio just has crap on. Especially when I get sick of just Christmas music for weeks on end during that season (sorry, bit of a grinch). However, my mp3 player will never have the variety of music, non-stop mix, lack of having to recharge, or portability that FM has. Commercials suck, but I hope radio still sticks around for a long time.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Twitter / Facebook / Email / plus all those live streaming things I mentioned before cover the "Holy Crap - Sequoia's going 3-mile island" scenario. There's a service called Nixle - http://www.nixle.com/ - it is an opt-in service that sends out text/email alerts for local breaking news. Subscribers can choose what alerts to get. They are set up to work in Chattanooga. Weather alerts, police reports, etc.. I'm not saying that replaces what you are talking about - but a Twitter account that you control would. It combines the best of both worlds. It's live (or as fast as you can type) - and archived. Plus, it goes out to everyone on your list - not just those people who happened to be tuned in a= t the time. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - Februar= y 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya you ee stream ves t at hat e , ur ten nd llar o en a od

=============================================================== From: R D Flowers ------------------------------------------------------ Rod-Lists wrote:

=============================================================== From: R D Flowers ------------------------------------------------------ Rod-Lists wrote:

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ and precious few good local news sources (of any medium).=20 Well wouldn't that be the point to have good local news?=20 I'm ols school radio from the time you could have only 1 am, fm, & TV stati= n in a market.=20 Back then even music stations had a newsteam.=20 Since deregulation though you end up up with one or two guys strechted betw= enn5 stations.=20 Trick is to bring in enough revenue to do decent news.=20 I fear for good reporting in all mediums.=20 The real News is an effort at Subscription base National & international ne= ws.=20 http://therealnews.com/t2/=20 Only question=C2=A0have the combination years of "free" broadcast news plus= the free net spoiled us too much to pay for news.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Dan Lyke" =20 To: chugalug@chugalug.org=20 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:35:04 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] routing around cost of broadcast radio with linux= =20 On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:57:58 -0400=20 Bobby wrote:=20 I'm with Bobby. Radio seems like it's become the medium for when I=20 forgot my MP3 player. Licensing for music costs a little bit, but at=20 this point there are some really good music podcasts out there=20 (Coverville and Nine Bullets!), and precious few good local news=20 sources (of any medium).=20 Dan=20

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ People will not pay for news. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ http://newspaperdeathwatch.com/ - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ works in the urban enviroment but what about rural commuters?=20 Say coming off monteagle moutain or in certain parts of the valley in Mario= n County.=20 Cell coverage on that part off I-24 is spotty at best.=20 Your solutions also point to the splinternet effect.=20 Any business, media or otherwise, has to maintain a front on several platfo= rms these days.=20 Web page is not enough, you have cover FB, Twitter, myspace, whats next,plu= s how many smart phone platforms etc.=20 A nightmare for any PR or Media person.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Chad Smith" =20 To: "CHUGALUG" =20 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:54:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] routing around cost of broadcast radio with linux= =20 Twitter / Facebook / Email / plus all those live streaming things I mention= ed before cover the "Holy Crap - Sequoia's going 3-mile island" scenario.= =20 There's a service called Nixle -=C2=A0 http://www.nixle.com/ - it is an opt= -in service that sends out text/email alerts for local breaking news. =C2= =A0Subscribers can choose what alerts to get. =C2=A0They are set up to work= in Chattanooga. =C2=A0Weather alerts, police reports, etc..=20 I'm not saying that replaces what you are talking about - but a Twitter acc= ount that you control would. =C2=A0It combines the best of both worlds. =C2= =A0It's live (or as fast as you can type) - and archived. =C2=A0Plus, it go= es out to everyone on your list - not just those people who happened to be = tuned in at the time.=20 - Chad W Smith=20 "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - Februar= y 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya=20 =20 good points. And I think modern radio needs to do pod casts right.=20 I think WUTS has a good structure. But they forget to add the archives.=20 However news by it's definition needs to live.=20 Archived news is only good to historians.=20 There is something to said for live media.=20 For example a train derails and blocks off Amnicolo.=20 Worse one of its tankers is leaking.=20 Does a podcast help in that situation?=20 This also shows the weakness of traffic and news on the net.=20 A commuter won't have access to wifi. And 3g or 4g Isn't everywhere yet.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Chad Smith" < chad78@gmail.com >=20 To: "CHUGALUG" < chugalug@chugalug.org >=20 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:58:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] routing around cost of broadcast radio with linux= =20 I'm not sure I understand what you are saying about hot spots and phone app= s - but it's not difficult to get your own online "radio" station. =C2=A0As= was asked earlier, why reinvent the wheel? =C2=A0There are services that g= ive you a place to upload your playlist - Live365 for example. =C2=A0There = are also free services that let you stream live video and audio, 24/7 - liv= estream.com ustream justin.tv=20 One of my jobs is for a broadcaster, he's on hundreds of different radio st= ations across the country, and while we've had podcasts and audio archives = for years, he just started his own "station" on Live365.=20 Now I really don't understand the purpose, personally, because all the stuf= f he's streaming is available on the website already in archives - but perh= aps some people would rather just listen passively than search for a given = topic. =C2=A0That said - before starting a radio station, I would ask what = benefit it has over something like a podcast, blog, or YouTube channel, tha= t are free, and give you just as much freedom to share local news or promot= e your cause as a radio station would, only they are cataloged, categorized= , archived, and one does not have to "tune in" at a certain time to hear yo= ur message.=C2=A0=20 The move is towards on demand - that's why DVRs, NetFlix, and MP3 Players a= re so popular. =C2=A0People don't want to listen to what you want them to l= isten to when you want them to listen to it - they want to listen to what t= hey want when they want. =C2=A0People pay hundreds of dollars for an mp3 pl= ayer, and then 99=C2=A2 a song for the freedom of choice, rather than pay $= 1 at the Dollar Tree for an FM Radio, with free music 24/7. =C2=A0Even so-c= alled Internet Radio providers like Pandora and Last.fm are customized play= lists for what the listener likes as opposed to what some DJ tells them is = cool.=20 The proceeding is simply my opinion, and does not constitute an attack on a= nyone.=20 - Chad W Smith=20 "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - Februar= y 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya=20 =20 I know of couple groups trying to get a spot on the radio dial.=20 Suffice to say the way the biz is currently run that almost next to impossi= ble due cost and the fact that=C2=A0community groups are never told when a = station is up for sale. (see WAWL or WDYN).=20 My idea is to use wifi hot spots and phone apps as access points.=20 And build the station using rivendell (linux).=20 My question is do y'all think there is a market for entertaiment plus good = "local news" and information on the net?=20

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ You say nightmare - I say job security. Here's the thing - radio is a dying media. Most people use their cell phones - first for email - second for texting - and third for talking on the phone. And they have their phones on or near their person at all times. When was the last time you heard about someone turning around in their car and driving 10 miles back home because they forgot their WalkMan? What is more likely - that your listener will be in a cell phone dead zone or that they won't have your station playing on the radio? I'd say the average Chattanooga area resident spends far less than 50% of their awake life in a dead zone for their provider - but they spend far more than 85% of their life with the radio turned off. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: R D Flowers ------------------------------------------------------ Rod-Lists wrote:

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:28:40 -0500 Chad Smith wrote: I don't buy that for a moment. Plenty of people donate to NPR for the news. Organizations like STRATFOR provide interpretations of current events for a (hefty) price. There are lots and lots of instances of people paying for news. The problem is that a good portion of what we've come to call "news" isn't. For the most part, in mainstream media you are not the consumer, you are the product. Thus we won't pay for what currently gets printed in local papers or broadcast on local "news", but I think there's also a good case to be made because that's largely not actually useful stuff. Give me something of value in local news and I'll gladly pay for it. But that isn't what my local paper is doing, they're parroting the party line of a couple of developers, it isn't what Patch.com is doing, they're just reprinting whatever they can get for free, and that stuff only has value to me if I further filter it. Furthermore, getting the original statements from the various factions is worth *more* to me than when it's filtered by those organizations. So, yeah. I disagree, but only because we're not used to actually seeing news. Dan

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ LOL! Where has that failed? omg - EVERYWHERE. Newspapers have tried EVERYTHING to stay alive - "just pennies a day - 99.9= % off newsstand price - Only 50=A2 a week" - and they die everyday. 24/7 Networks of networks of cable news - (IE - not just FoxNews and CNN, but ABCNewsNow, MSNBC, CNBC, HeadlineNews, FoxBusiness, The Weather Channel= , BBCAmerica, etc.) - Google News, Twitter itself, millions of free blogs, facebook itself, where your friends tell you for free what is happening locally, Podcasts, NewsFeeds, and hundreds and hundreds of other free news sources screaming for attention all day everyday 365.25 days a year..... All without charging you a dime. Good luck getting more than a few diehard listeners to pay you to tell them what they can find out for themselves. People won't even pay for the New York Times website - why will they pay you? I mean, selling access to information... Seriously? And you are a promoter of Open Source Software..... I'm sorry, but charging for news is *not* the right place to start a new business these days. Hasn't been for a couple of decades. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - Februar= y 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya ) ill l has

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ -Here's the thing - radio is a dying media.=20 Doesn't have to be but I agree.=20 -I'd say the average Chattanooga area resident spends far less than 50% of = their awake life in a dead zone for their provider - but they spend far mor= e than 85% of their life --with the radio turned off.=20 Commuters listen to radio for traffic and other updates (has the snow close= d schools).=20 Cell coverage depends on your provider. Half of Grundy isn't coverd by spri= nt the last time I checked.=20 I'm not sure if we've seen a mass Ermegency Management situation=C2=A0 to t= est new media. (say an Fukishima Class event)=20 I do know that during the 91 tornado in Huntsville the cell system crashed = not because of the weather but everyone getting on.=20 Also in wooded areas without sky rises 900mhz and above gets eaten. Yes tre= es do inhibit microwave frequencies.=20 Sky rises help bounce them. A lot rural police forces are finding that out = the hard way.=20 One of the critiques of modern voice tracking on radio (everything coming i= n by satellite , no locals) was incident in a small town where train tanker= wrecked=20 spilling chemicals over a wide area. Local Police went to the station to ge= t the warning out but the station was on automatic.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Chad Smith" =20 To: "CHUGALUG" =20 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:41:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] routing around cost of broadcast radio with linux= =20 You say nightmare - I say job security.=20 Here's the thing - radio is a dying media. =C2=A0Most people use their cell= phones - first for email - second for texting - and third for talking on t= he phone. =C2=A0And they have their phones on or near their person at all t= imes. =C2=A0When was the last time you heard about someone turning around i= n their car and driving 10 miles back home because they forgot their WalkMa= n?=20 What is more likely - that your listener will be in a cell phone dead zone = or that they won't have your station playing on the radio? =C2=A0I'd say th= e average Chattanooga area resident spends far less than 50% of their awake= life in a dead zone for their provider - but they spend far more than 85% = of their life with the radio turned off.=20 - Chad W Smith=20 "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - Februar= y 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya=20 =20 works in the urban enviroment but what about rural commuters?=20 Say coming off monteagle moutain or in certain parts of the valley in Mario= n County.=20 Cell coverage on that part off I-24 is spotty at best.=20 Your solutions also point to the splinternet effect.=20 Any business, media or otherwise, has to maintain a front on several platfo= rms these days.=20 Web page is not enough, you have cover FB, Twitter, myspace, whats next,plu= s how many smart phone platforms etc.=20 A nightmare for any PR or Media person.=20

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ None of that changes what I said. Most people spend the vast majority of their lives in places that their cell phone works. Those places you describe are not where most people spend more of their time. And how often is someone commuting? A couple of hours a day? much less if they are lucky! Zero if they are like me and a lot of other work-from-home people. Again - even if someone lived in the woods on the backside of a mountain in Grundy County - in order to get your message - they have to *have their radio turned on* - which most people don't do 24/7. And even if their radio *was* on 24/7 - they'd have to have it tuned in to your station. The amount of time that will be the case is far, far, far, far, far less than the amount of time they will be in an area that their cell phone works and that they have their cell phone on their person with a working signal and a charged battery. Seems to me like you want to do radio because you want to do radio - not because it's the best way to reach people. Which is fine. But if you are looking for the fastest, cheapest, most effective way to reach the most people with your version of the news - radio isn't it, and will never be it ever again. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Chad Smith" =20 To: "CHUGALUG" =20 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 12:20:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] routing around cost of broadcast radio with linux= =20 None of that changes what I said. =C2=A0Most people spend the vast majority= of their lives in places that their cell phone works. =C2=A0Those places y= ou describe are not where most people spend more of their time. =C2=A0And h= ow often is someone commuting? =C2=A0A couple of hours a day? much less if = they are lucky! =C2=A0Zero if they are like me and a lot of other work-from= -home people.=20 Chad I used to put 300 miles a week commuting from Monteagle Mountain= toChattanooga. Hour each way. That considered a short commute nationally. Now I give you the folk out Cal= i doing 2 hours or more one way probably have better cell coverage. If I'm = driving and the skys are looking wierd I and others flip on the radio if it= offThe cell networks is not ubiquitous yet nor campatable to all handsets.= And Mp3 players are useless for that. Again - even if someone lived in the woods on the backside of a mountain in= Grundy County - in order to get your message - they have to *have their ra= dio turned on* - which most people don't do 24/7. =C2=A0And even if their r= adio *was* on 24/7 - they'd have to have it tuned in to your station.=20 and I guarantee you they do have local stations on many of the cell p= roviders in the area may not even support cell data. Most folk in that area have cells but not smartphones. Remember in a metro = area you have consider your outlying target listeners, viewers. The amount of time that will be the case is far, far, far, far, far less th= an the amount of time they will be in an area that their cell phone works a= nd that they have their cell phone on their person with a working signal an= d a charged battery.=20 Spoken like true urban dweller. Like I said before in event emergenci= es cell nets fail Seems to me like you want to do radio because you want to do radio - not be= cause it's the best way to reach people. =C2=A0Which is fine. =C2=A0But if = you are looking for the fastest, cheapest, most effective way to reach the = most people with your version of the news - radio isn't it, and will never = be it ever again.=20 Radio is out of question for many logistical reasons, but it fills a = niche that cells cannot at this time. Again a good study will be the Fukishima event. The Japanese have a high ce= ll usage. However after extended periods without power how are they recharg= ing? They will shut there phones for extended periods of time to conserve a= nd will not be able recieve EMA updates Even an old fashion AM radio has common batteries that are easy to find & r= eplace. If I'm really serious about emegency preparedness I can get crank power rad= io. Haven't seen that in a cell phone yet. http://www.nextpowerusa.com/emraprpr.html?gclid=3DCLa

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I'd put this in a text based link - but I wouldn't want to break anything for anyone... It's a google product search for Emergency Cell Phone Charger http://www.google.com/search?aq=3Df&sourceid=3Dchrome&ie=3DUTF-8&q=3Demerge= ncy+cell+phone+charger#q=3Demergency+cell+phone+charger&hl=3Den&prmd=3Divns= &source=3Duniv&tbs=3Dshop:1&tbo=3Du&sa=3DX&ei=3D-3yLTeSrD8u

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ what do think news desks run on ? Kisses & fairy Dust?=20 An economic model has to found. In deph news is not cheap.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Chad Smith" =20 To: "CHUGALUG" =20 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:33:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] routing around cost of broadcast radio with linux= =20 http://newspaperdeathwatch.com/=20 - Chad W Smith=20 "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - Februar= y 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya=20 People will not pay for news.=20 - Chad W Smith=20 "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - Februar= y 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya=20 =20 Only question=C2=A0have the combination years of "free" broadcast news plus= the free net spoiled us too much to pay for news.=20

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ point taken.=20 However cell nets are still not ubiquitous even urban areas.=20 Ever hear of dropped calls.=20 And from what hear text can take awhile to get delivered sometimes.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Chad Smith" =20 To: "CHUGALUG" =20 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:21:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] routing around cost of broadcast radio with linux= =20 I'd put this in a text based link - but I wouldn't want to break anything f= or anyone... It's a google product search for Emergency Cell Phone Charger= =20 http://www.google.com/search?aq=3Df&sourceid=3Dchrome&ie=3DUTF-8&q=3Demerge= ncy+cell+phone+charger#q=3Demergency+cell+phone+charger&hl=3Den&prmd=3Divns= &source=3Duniv&tbs=3Dshop:1&tbo=3Du&sa=3DX&ei=3D-3yLTeSrD8u

=============================================================== From: Tom Wilson ------------------------------------------------------ I've received a text a week after the fact, so, there can be a latency problem there.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ You are assuming people */want/* in depth news. People have a 140 character a= ttention span. I mean people complain that my 3 paragraph replies are too lo= ng.=20 Plus are you talking about in depth reporting or emergency alerts. This whol= e time you've been saying the major value to radio is when the cell phone ki= lling crisis hits. In depth reporting doesn't need a "newsdesk" or even a desk. There are some v= ery in depth hard hitting blogs out there written on laptops at coffee shops= . You're still thinking like it's 1950 and we need some talking head in a suit= barking news at us. Which is very ironic considering how much you hate HTML= . You can have in depth news in plain text in tiny chunks with a link to a l= ong story on a blog. Or a YouTube video. Or a podcast. And then you can text= out your emergency tweet saying " turn on your tvs or radios. 911 bomb down= town." or whatever Or even "go to rod.livestream.com NOW!" - Chad W Smith ry 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya ry 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya free net spoiled us too much to pay for news.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Again it's a numbers game. You will reach far more people instantly with a t= ext than you will with a radio station.=20 - Chad W Smith or anyone... It's a google product search for Emergency Cell Phone Charger ency+cell+phone+charger#q=3Demergency+cell+phone+charger&hl=3Den&prmd=3Divns= &source=3Duniv&tbs=3Dshop:1&tbo=3Du&sa=3DX&ei=3D-3yLTeSrD8u

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I not saying nixle doesn't have place in the ema tool bag but not even ever= y cell phone is subscribed to it.=20 and while radio is not the powerhouse it was, you vastly undersestimate how= many people listen to it everyday.=20 ChattanoogaTraffic.net Reports are heard by 457,800 Radio listeners each we= ek during morning and afternoon drive - plus additional Television exposure= ! No one reaches more potential customers, produces more results, than the = Chattanooga Traffic Team!=C2=A0=20 http://chattanoogatraffic.net/index.php?option=3Dcom

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ People still listen to the radio everyday - but how many will listen to you= r station? not insulting your station - it doesn't exist yet, I don't know how good it would be - but I am assuming it will be AM - since FM would be either far too expensive, or so underpowered, it wouldn't reach anyone. I've been in a number of cars that don't even have AM anymore. They do hav= e cell chargers, bluetooth, and iPod adapters, though. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - Februar= y 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya ow

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Bloomberg Professional. (not the free dreck version you usually see...) --------------------------- Rod, As fast as some of the local radio stations change format in the hope to find relevance in the local market, you would think they might give your ideas a try, Except for Talk 102.3 in the mornings and NPR at times, I find little to nothing of use on the local radio.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ we are actually having two diffrent conversation at the same time. (my faul= t too) Yes it seems we can route around.=20 But still don't think the new media meets certain needs of society is all.= =20 That may change. But I don't think it is there yet. Of course some people m= ay not care. But we still have digital divide in this country. I=C2=A0do believe a lot radio's problems are self inflicted.=20 As late as the early 90's AM DXing was still viable because big city AM sta= tions used to have their local personalities on at night.=20 I know. I used to listen to Jay Marvin & Mike Malloy on WLS in Chicago. But then all the AM stations in a cost cutting move began re-airing recordi= ngs of the same syndicated stuff they carry in the mornings, Rush, Sean Han= nity, Dr. Laura etc. Even if you are a fan why would you take the time lis= ten to a distant station to hear that when you could tune a much stronger l= ocal signal? It the same stuff up & down the dial. The local color and personality that made DXing fun was gone. Radio & TV are also in trouble. Not just Newspapers. Their only hope is a n= ew localism. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Chad Smith" =20 To: "CHUGALUG" =20 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:32:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] routing around cost of broadcast radio with linux= =20 People still listen to the radio everyday - but how many will listen to you= r station? =C2=A0not insulting your station - it doesn't exist yet, I don't= know how good it would be - but I am assuming it will be AM - since FM wou= ld be either far too expensive, or so underpowered, it wouldn't reach anyon= e.=20 I've been in a number of cars that don't even have AM anymore. =C2=A0They d= o have cell chargers, bluetooth, and iPod adapters, though.=20 - Chad W Smith=20 "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - Februar= y 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya=20 =20 I not saying nixle doesn't have place in the ema tool bag but not even ever= y cell phone is subscribed to it.=20 and while radio is not the powerhouse it was, you vastly undersestimate how= many people listen to it everyday.=20 ChattanoogaTraffic.net Reports are heard by 457,800 Radio listeners each we= ek during morning and afternoon drive - plus additional Television exposure= ! No one reaches more potential customers, produces more results, than the = Chattanooga Traffic Team!=C2=A0=20 http://chattanoogatraffic.net/index.php?option=3Dcom

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I'm amazed we don't have blues station in this town. The Blues Dr. on WUTC was a big show. And if my take on it is correct a commercial programmer could shake up oldies, Classic Rock and the R&B markets in this town. My current thinking is to help subsidize the Pacifica project with a straight out commercial blues station. But they may get split. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Harrison" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:51:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] routing around cost of broadcast radio with linux Bloomberg Professional. (not the free dreck version you usually see...) --------------------------- Rod, As fast as some of the local radio stations change format in the hope to find relevance in the local market, you would think they might give your ideas a try, Except for Talk 102.3 in the mornings and NPR at times, I find little to nothing of use on the local radio.