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What happened to the hackerspace idea?

From: Lynn Dixon 
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I have missed out on some of the emails. I was just wondering what happened
to the hackerspace idea that was being tossed around for a while.  I would
love to contribute if its still active.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ You're already on RM so that's half the battle, here's the other half: http://groups.google.com/group/chatthack

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Can we just pick one? which is "the" group. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Kilgore" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:48:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] What happened to the hackerspace idea? You're already on RM so that's half the battle, here's the other half: http://groups.google.com/group/chatthack I have missed out on some of the emails. I was just wondering what happened to the hackerspace idea that was being tossed around for a while. I would love to contribute if its still active.

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Thanks Cameron. I seen the link to RM just after sending the email to the list. I have signed up for the google group as well. I am excited to see this coming about! Especially since EPB has gigabit connectivity in Chattanooga :)

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ Again, I encourage everyone to attempt to utilize a full GigE link :) Other than a couple of specific places, and then some of those are only at certain times can I manage to keep my paltry 25Mb saturated :) Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ (Drooling about 1GB connectivity) yeah, well, we're not all in Chattanooga. Some of us, out in the = "boondocks" have to settle for 6Mb up/1Mb (usually 384K) down = connectivity through AT&T as the only reliable broadband. Sucks to be us. Hell, some people over here still have rotary dial phones. to excited connectivity only

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ And some of us pay out the ass just for 3Mbit down. Trenton, GA is a gorram pox on anyone who wants to be successful in life.

=============================================================== From: Ben Romines ------------------------------------------------------ Well if you look up the *Appalachian Valley Fiber Network* (AVFN)

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Oh great cheezit in the sky tell me Trenton and Rising Fawn are on that list This is way better than me rolling proposals to the USDA to set up LTE -Cameron Sent via an Android phone Well if you look up the *Appalachian Valley Fiber Network* (AVFN)

=============================================================== From: Ben Romines ------------------------------------------------------ It shows the proposed new fiber coming out of Chattanooga going to Trenton!

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ So, is this backbone for extending DSL/Wimax/LTE or will this lead to the last mile? -Cameron Sent via an Android phone It shows the proposed new fiber coming out of Chattanooga going to Trenton! On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Cameron Kilgore wrote:

=============================================================== From: Ben Romines ------------------------------------------------------ The Appalachian Valley Fiber Network (AVFN) is a public-private partnership designed to bring a middle-mile fiber network to 12 counties across the lower Appalachian Valley in northwestern Georgia and eastern Alabama. Most of the community anchor institutions located in the area report either inadequate access to broadband or a lack of affordable, high-capacity service from existing providers. The project proposes constructing 182 new miles of fiber and leasing 287 miles of dark fiber to complement existing resources held by the two service providers who have collaborated to form AVFN. Appalachian Valley Fiber Network also proposes to: =A0Connect as many as 185 community anchor institutions with speeds of up to 1 Gbps, including 16 K-12 public schools, 46 public safety facilities, 40 medical facilities, and 48 other government facilities. =A0The network will also connect the Georgia Northwestern Technical Colleges (which now encompass the former Coosa Valley Technical College and Northwestern Technical College campuses) as well as Chattahoochee Technical College. =A0Facilitate more affordable and accessible broadband service for approximately 144,000 households and 8,300 businesses by enabling local Internet service providers to utilize the project=92s open network. =A0Interconnect with as many as five regional last-mile providers who have committed to using the new network to bring affordable high-speed service to rural and underserved households and businesses in the region =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 The above was taken from http://www2.ntia.doc.gov/files/grantees/appalachian

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Please tell me there's a website, mailing list, twitter, etc for this -Cameron Sent via an Android phone The Appalachian Valley Fiber Network (AVFN) is a public-private partnership designed to bring a middle-mile fiber network to 12 counties across the lower Appalachian Valley in northwestern Georgia and eastern Alabama. Most of the community anchor institutions located in the area report either inadequate access to broadband or a lack of affordable, high-capacity service from existing providers. The project proposes constructing 182 new miles of fiber and leasing 287 miles of dark fiber to complement existing resources held by the two service providers who have collaborated to form AVFN. Appalachian Valley Fiber Network also proposes to: Connect as many as 185 community anchor institutions with speeds of up to 1 Gbps, including 16 K-12 public schools, 46 public safety facilities, 40 medical facilities, and 48 other government facilities. The network will also connect the Georgia Northwestern Technical Colleges (which now encompass the former Coosa Valley Technical College and Northwestern Technical College campuses) as well as Chattahoochee Technical College. Facilitate more affordable and accessible broadband service for approximately 144,000 households and 8,300 businesses by enabling local Internet service providers to utilize the project=92s open network. Interconnect with as many as five regional last-mile providers who have committed to using the new network to bring affordable high-speed service to rural and underserved households and businesses in the region The above was taken from http://www2.ntia.doc.gov/files/grantees/appalachian

=============================================================== From: Ben Romines ------------------------------------------------------ Not that i have found, i saw it in the paper sometime last week and have been doing research on the whole thing ever since because i would love to have faster than a 12Mb down connection from someone besides freaking Comcast.. So as i find things out ill let you know and if you find anything out indeed enlighten me! On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Cameron Kilgore w= rote:

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ I feel your pain, especially if ATT, and worse, ATT DSL is your only choice of "reliable" anything. Why anyone still keeps a landline these days is beyond me, but yes, I am also one of those people who would use a rotary phone, to save the MRC for TD if I could. It's how much now? I made sure my grandmother never paid for it a day of her life. :) Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, I've dealt with Trenton's "Business Class" cable service. It made me want to say nice things about Comshaft... Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ Any particular reason you're sending those to the USDA? Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ They are handing out grants for rural internet development. Not many grants, but it was worth a shot. -Cameron Sent via an Android phone Any particular reason you're sending those to the USDA? Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ ATDP 592--5667 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Ridley" Hell, some people over here still have rotary dial phones.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ What

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ What's a matter Cameron? Never connect a modem to a dumb terminal ? AT = attention,waking u the modem D= Dial P= Pulse t for tone The # is the phone number you wish to dial. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Kilgore" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:54:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: What happened to the hackerspace idea? What ATDP 592--5667 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Ridley" < lhridley@gmail.com > Hell, some people over here still have rotary dial phones.

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ modem dial commands to dial with pulse mode instead of tones. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 08:54, Cameron Kilgore wro= te:

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Nope. I grew up in an era of hand sanitizers and broadband.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ And you're old enough to type? Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Are you old enough to use ed?

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ Since I had to learn it at NCR as part of my job, yes. I would consider the era of hand sanitizers and broadband to be the last 5 to maybe 10 years. Granted, I didn't buy hand sanitizer more than 5 years ago because that's when children were introduced into my life :) Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ As late as the early 90's there were rural phone exchanges around here where you needed to know how to dial a modem by pulse. Oh yeah I forget I have t-shirts older than you. Chattacon 13 anyone? Besides you never know what you face in the third world. Ask Mike. Besides we are counting on you to help rebuild FIDO net when they pass that internet kill bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Kilgore" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:32:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: What happened to the hackerspace idea? Nope. I grew up in an era of hand sanitizers and broadband. What's a matter Cameron? Never connect a modem to a dumb terminal ? AT = attention,waking u the modem D= Dial P= Pulse t for tone The # is the phone number you wish to dial. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Kilgore" < ghostfreeman@gmail.com > To: "CHUGALUG" < chugalug@chugalug.org > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:54:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: What happened to the hackerspace idea? What ATDP 592--5667 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Ridley" < lhridley@gmail.com > Hell, some people over here still have rotary dial phones.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ I know about Telex, and that's all the pre-oldternet stuff I know about.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Next time I'll use a more accurate benchmark to describe the 90s: The Smashing Pumpkins and soccer moms.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I've used telex. Not bad. You can still get a taste of that in packet radio. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ I've always wanted to fiddle with RTTY, and i've used that as an excuse to get into ham radio...but I can never motivate myself to do it. If anyone wants to show me their setup...

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ why wait...

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ One at a time guys...first the hackspace and then FIDO net.

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ My dad used ArpaNet while in the Army in the 70s... He's ex-Signal Corps. I missed the FidoNet thing, but I did mess around with BBSes back in the 90s on a PC with a 2400bps, then 14.4k, then 28.8k dialup modems. :) On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:18, Cameron Kilgore wro= te: te:

=============================================================== From: Gary Hasty ------------------------------------------------------ Sheesh, ya'll are so young... Ok, I'll play...my first modem was a 300bd on my Tandy CoCo...had to =20 manually switch it to originate or receive a call

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ First computer ever was a Tandy TL1000 with a 1200 baud modem and a 20MB HD that fit on its own card in an 8-bit ISA slot. -AW On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Gary Hasty wrote= :

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ wow, that's exactly what I had for a first computer. tl/2 1000 with 20mb = =0A"hardcard". I thought I was totally bad-ass when I bought the optional= memory =0Akit to expand from, iirc, 640k to 780k. I spent a LOT of hours= logged into UTC =0Agandalf, IBM CMS, Music, but mostly the HP3000 library = and administrative =0Acomputing systems, via Kermit.=0A=0AI foolishly sold = my original tl/2 in 1998, but then I found one at a yard sale a =0Afew year= s later for only $5 for cpu, monitor, and lots of accessories. I just =0A= about pissed on myself with joy...=0A=0A=0A=0A

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ with your comments. -AW -- Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." Master Mynd @ HyvMynd Technologies aaron.welch@hyvmynd.com 423-505-9999

=============================================================== From: Smitty ------------------------------------------------------ +1 FIDO net reference..

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ 300 baud acoustic coupler on a TRS-80 Model I. Made the lower-case mod & ad= ded=20 a Lobo LX-80 interface for a whopping 48K of DRAM. Still have it in the=20 attic.

=============================================================== From: Cynical Geek ------------------------------------------------------ I set one of these up at the house a couple years ago and tinkered with it. It was a pretty interesting exercise. http://www.synchro.net/ In November of 1999, the author found a renewed interest in further developing *Synchronet*, specifically for the Internet community, embracing and integrating standard Internet protocols such as Telnet, FTP, SMTP, POP3, IRC, NNTP, and HTTP. *Synchronet* has since been substantially redesigned as an Internet-only BBS package for Win32 and Unix-x86 platforms and is an Open Source project under continuous development.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Thanx I'll look into that. I been looking into the old 1bbs script. Linux/unix basically has most of BBS functions built in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynical Geek" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:01:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: What happened to the hackerspace idea? I set one of these up at the house a couple years ago and tinkered with it. It was a pretty interesting exercise. http://www.synchro.net/ In November of 1999, the author found a renewed interest in further developing Synchronet , specifically for the Internet community, embracing and integrating standard Internet protocols such as Telnet, FTP, SMTP, POP3, IRC, NNTP, and HTTP. Synchronet has since been substantially redesigned as an Internet-only BBS package for Win32 and Unix-x86 platforms and is an Open Source project under continuous development. I've used telex. Not bad. You can still get a taste of that in packet radio. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ No else has used an acoustic coupler? Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Gary Hasty ------------------------------------------------------ Yes, on a Tandy Model I...

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ RG is also Open Source now as well... although I don't recall much work in the moving it to the Internet platform. Still, lots of interesting code in there.... Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ I will note it was a *little* before my time, but mo-dem(s) fascinated me back in the day... probably why passing packets is such a fascination these days.... I know there were several on this list that could tell their dial-up connection speed based on the tones during the handshake, but did anyone else practice whistling them? :) Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ I did not have a penchant to bridge the gap between interwebspace and meatspace with my vocal cords

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:46:47 -0500 Dave Brockman wrote: TI Silent 700 terminal. Keyboard + thermal printer + acoustic coupler. Used it to connect to BBSs at 300 baud back in the day. If you held on to the paper long enough it'd fade and you could re-use it. If you left the machine on when vacuuming, it'd connect to the vacuum at 1200 baud. Half-duplex, of course. Dan

=============================================================== From: Gary Hasty ------------------------------------------------------ Back in my BBSn days (The Comfy Chair was mine) had one blind user that had an amazing ear...anytime we had issue with Alltel he would call me up and give me some pretty exact troubleshooting... whistling...no...what am I a geek?

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ Yes, I did that. Sad to say but I could occasionally generate some bizarre characters before the modem gave up from too many framing errors. Never tried with the vaccum cleaner though.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Supposedly phone phreaks could initiate long distance calls via slide whistle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Kilgore" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:56:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: What happened to the hackerspace idea? I did not have a penchant to bridge the gap between interwebspace and meatspace with my vocal cords I will note it was a *little* before my time, but mo-dem(s) fascinated me back in the day... probably why passing packets is such a fascination these days.... I know there were several on this list that could tell their dial-up connection speed based on the tones during the handshake, but did anyone else practice whistling them? :) Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: "dmscholten@gmail.com" ------------------------------------------------------ Get the hackspace up and going so there will be a spot to meet to rebuild F= IDO. ;) ------Original Message------ From: Cameron Kilgore To: "CHUGALUG" Date: Wed, Jan 26, 10:18 AM -0500 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: What happened to the hackerspace idea? One at a time guys...first the hackspace and then FIDO net. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Ed King wrote= :

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Captain Crunch Whistle baby! n e:

=============================================================== From: flushy ------------------------------------------------------ On 01/26/11 10:23, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote: I was node 1:362/422 --b

=============================================================== From: flushy ------------------------------------------------------ On 01/26/11 10:27, Gary Hasty wrote: I got my first 300baud modem when I signed up for Q-Link for use on the Commodore 64.

=============================================================== From: flushy ------------------------------------------------------ On 01/26/11 12:57, Gary Hasty wrote: Cap'n KRUNCH!

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ I will *not* go boot up the OS/2 box... I will *not* go boot up the OS/2 box... I will *not* go boot up the OS/2 box... I will *not* go boot up the OS/2 box... tonight, it's late. But damn you, I will before the weekend is over... :) Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ that internet kill bill. Crap, I guess I need to see if I can find my old Intermail and FastEcho = registrations!

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Lord do I miss the BBS days sometimes. I used to find it amusing how folks thought I was weird and anti-social = because I spent all my free time communicating electronically to alot of = people I'd never met, and never would.=20 Now that such types of communication have become ubiquitous, it just = makes me sad. I want my hobby back.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ with it. It was a pretty interesting exercise. developing Synchronet, specifically for the Internet community, = embracing and integrating standard Internet protocols such as Telnet, = FTP, SMTP, POP3, IRC, NNTP, and HTTP. Synchronet has since been = substantially redesigned as an Internet-only BBS package for Win32 and = Unix-x86 platforms and is an Open Source project under continuous = development. Synchro seems to be the only thing that actually survived. Wildcat = started internet integration early, with allowing some of it's functions = to be used over the web directly. A number of other hacks were put in = place it allow IP's and Port combinations to mimic Serial port = connections. There were also a number of creative ways to make FIDO = technology cheaper by using email as a way to transmit your payloads = instead of dial-up.=20 Alot of other BBS projects made attempts to transition to the internet = age, but never really got off the ground. Rewriting BBS software to = function as php based crap was ultimately a futile effort, as things = like Wordpress, phpBB, Joomla, Drupal, et al can mimic the functions of = a BBS and have alot more traction. And hell, Facebook is like the worlds biggest BBS replacement, it = handles essentially everything that we used to do, even the games. The = likes of L.O.R.D, Falcon's Eye, Usurper and Exitilus have been replaced = by Mafia Was and Farmville.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ that had an amazing ear...anytime we had issue with Alltel he would call = me up and give me some pretty exact troubleshooting... Brockman and I knew a guy that could squeal well enough to make a modem = reliably connect at 9600 over and over hehe

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ 1:133/1004 Brockman was 1:133/1004.1 because he was too damn cheap to pick up his = own address ;)=

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ Oi! I 'm still interested in eComStation for some... weird... obscure reaso= n. ... --=20 " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we=E2=80=99re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aar= on Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Sterling, Virginia USA

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ I tried loading it up 2-3 years ago, wasn't impressed. Didn't make the install any leff of a PITA, and it looked pretty much the same as Warp v4, w/o all the Logos. REXX was cool though... Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ Likewise. ecause I spent all my free time communicating electronically to alot of peo= ple I'd never met, and never would. s me sad. I want my hobby back. --=20 " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we=E2=80=99re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aar= on Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Sterling, Virginia USA

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ Don't ever say that again..... :) If that's true, then why do all the BBS geeks I know shun it?

=============================================================== From: Gary Hasty ------------------------------------------------------ Unfortunately, everytime I end up running across my old tape backups of my board and think about putting it back on the interwebs, I realize it's prob the same as the once a year ritual of opening up the box of my Atari 2600 and cartridges to setup the TV and realize 2 hours later...wow, that really sucked. --- Gary Hasty "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I miss legend of the red dragon. They do have a web based legend of the green dragon that works as a replacement.

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ Sorry, don't have that sentiment with the C64... :) cement. te: my rob 0 lly ey

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ What BBS's brought was a community of intelligent people together. There are a few websites/community blogs still like that.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ hey dave, I want to convert my BBS running DOS to running OS/2 Warp, but I have this Western Digital Ontrac Disk manager thing running on my hard drive, can you help?

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ If it wasn't for the privacy issues, I'd probably have a Facebook account. That's my major issue with it.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Locally, that may be true. The majority of the people I consider close friends are all from my BBS days. When you got into stuff like Fido, however, the same idjuts that troll the interwebs these days were present. I remember many many stupid arguments in Fido (and non Fido) echoes hehe

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ I think it required a bottle of something rot-gut, but as I recall, we got it done :) Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ Meh, I'm not *that* hard to find, and well.... ya never know what skelies might pop out with my name scribbled on it... :) Danke :) Reminds me, whatever happened to Watcomm? They used to have some nice compilers back in the day.... Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ That was our era though... we didn't have FB/MyS/etc. Hell my kindergartener comes home with links to school-sanctioned/funded sites where all the kids create avatars and do puzzles for points, etc that they trade in for upgrades of their "common" space in-game. And you and I moved a bit during our formative years, as I recall. I spent my high school years spread across three states, you often don't make those life-long relationships in 8-9 months amid teen angst and hormones.... It's amazing to see some of the ghosts of the past from Fido/Usenet and where they are today..... Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Yes, I remember that being a VERY long day, and my introduction to Canadian Mist hehe

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ I'm pretty careful about where I put my personal info. Hell, if you remember, I didn't even use my real name back in the BBS days. I think LinkedIn is the only thing that gives me any real exposure on the net, and I like it that way. Dunno, I gave up on my programming kick when I moved away from the BBS game. The few things I've needed that weren't already written or weren't adaptable to my needs I've always been able to overcome with some bash script hackery hehe

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ *ahem* Did anyone besides Rob? Yes, I was very proud of the fact that pre-LinkedIn, Google didn't know who I was :) That Richmond fella though.... :) Yeah, I know. If I could only get a consistent, stable version of perl to run on all these windows machines, my life would be a lot easier :) Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ There's a web comic I enjoy called Nukees, where one of the guys creates a blend of like the hopscotch app and the Achievements systems from various popular gaming platforms. It got people hooked and had stuff like WoW nerds getting out and getting some exercise or going on a date. It was amusing, but I thought it was an excellent social commentary at how sheep like our society is. It's amazing what people will do just to get some arbitrary bits flipped in a remote data base. Yeah, the ability to communicate remotely allowed me to have some stability on my social relationships. It was hard leaving Florida, as I'd made alot of good friends down there, but since we were all BBS nerds, it wasn't that difficult to at least stay in touch. The only casualty for that was my long distance bill, and with the advent of QWK messaging, that was a minimal issue. The part that sucked was not being able to go to the monthly and/or spontaneous gatherings that occurred. But I got to Georgia and made new friends, so it all worked out. Hell, you and I have gone years at a time without speaking because life got in the way, but we can sit down and pickup and it's like we saw each other last week. Nowadays, I think the convenience and ease of electronic communication actually helps social relationships stagnate more than anything. Everybody takes it all for granted because you know you can email or text somebody whenever. On the opposite end of the spectrum, the signal to noise ratio got out of whack.... if my friends are busy updating their twitter feed every time they take a poop, I'm less likely to pay any attention to their feed. Yeah. I get nostalgic every once and awhile and go pull up names. There was one individual, Clay Tannacore, back on the Fido that I got into some knock down drag out e-fights with. Hated the bastard, but was saddened to hear of his passing. I need to bring you my copy of the BBS documentary when I come up there next week, it'll bring back some memories. The interview where they have RaD MaN (ACiD) and Lord Soth (iCE) sit down is alot of fun, since those guys used to hate each other

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ Ok, I'll have to file that in my need to read stack... As if the whole FB thing in and of itself isn't commentary enough.... To be fair, I think we transcended BBS buddies, somewhere between roommate and boss.... Exactly... agreed 100% on both points. Hehe, yeah, that should be a fun walk down history lane :) Regards, dtb