Hackerspace

From: Mike Harrison 
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I've created a new thread for this, and topic/keyword for the website.

http://www.chugalug.org/widget/category/Hackerspace

On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, Joshua Estes wrote:

> "Define Hackerspace"
>
> To me it's a place that has various "spaces". Example, front space for
> lounging around. Small kitchen area to make coffee and to have a kegarator.
> Space for coders (ie desk where I can plug my laptop in and put headphones
> on and not be bothered too much). Space where multiple coders can come
> together to brainstorm and work on code together.
>
> I'm sure others would benefit from a space where the can work with hardware
> as well.
>
> Some extras: 1) Quarterly swap meet and 2) Hacker Classes (ie how to code,
> setup servers, etc)


Definition accepted with:
  s/kegerator/fridge which might contain privately owned adult beverages when appropriate/

The issue is liability and licensure,

But I think that's an excellent definition.

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For discussion sake: "rent" is often 6-18/sqft per year, and possibly plus 
utilities, bandwidth, etc.. For example: 2k sqft at 12/sqft is 2k per 
month, or 20 people at $100 per head, per month.

12-14/sqft including utilities and 'Net..
is a pretty good deal downtown. but parking is a pain.

10/sqft + utilities is Four Squares on Mtn Creek Road.

There is warehouse/industrial space in town for 6/sqft.

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Organization of such spaces ranges from Co-ops and 501c's
to a high tech version of "The Concierge Level"
where it is a business for someone to manage.

The business model works well for renting out shared office space
for people whom want to work away from home (spouse/kids) or
meet clients and consider it an office. Such a place includes
the ability to use it for package/mail delivery/pickup, reception,
and often has shared office equipment (printers, scanner, fax).

The Co-op/501c work better for casual hackerspace, and takes
someone (not me) to create and organize a leading herd of cats.

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Last thought: Perhaps an invasion of a coffee shop or someplace
for a while would be a good synergy starting point. Preferably
someplace that would appreciate our business. If we displaced
an active clientelle, a bunch of geeks hanging around would
not be welcome. If we augmented a clientelle or hours,
then it is a win-win situation.

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That's my brain dump and food for thought for now.

















=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ Makes me wish I was back in chattanooga. I could probably get some decent gear for donations from our "recycle" pile. The hackerspace here in k-town seemed to stagnate as quickly as it started. But I think the chugaluggans have what it takes to get it started right :) -B

=============================================================== From: Joshua Estes ------------------------------------------------------ Personally I would like to see something in a warehouse type of space. I know of at least one person on this list that likes to build battle robots ;p It would be cheaper and easier to build out how we would want it. Anything concern of mine is will this place be open 24/7 or will we have access to the facility any time we want? (Insert witty Joshua want to make films at 3am comment here) - Joshua Estes http://www.ScenicCityLabs.com http://www.ChattanoogaDevelopers.com @JoshuaEstes @ScenicCityLabs @ChattDevelopers "If you live periods of your life in misery, when you remember back to those times, all you'll remember is the misery. The misery robs you of great memories you could otherwise be making."

=============================================================== From: Rod Young ------------------------------------------------------ I suspect that like my old FM DJ crowd we have a few here who keep odd hour= s. Question is do we have enough night owls to man the place. Especially if lo= cated in an area like mike's old shop. If in a recovering area, a cafe with= free coffee for Cops would help. Cops are always looking for place to do reports. Aaron has more info on Luken's holdings but there are plenty of old industr= ial/wharehouse spaces in non-hip areas that should be available for a steal. --=20

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Ok, Anybody on list that actually knows me (Mike, Jason), knows I am totally = into this idea. Aaron got me all worked up over it a couple of years = ago... but so far nothing has happened. Here is what I am willing and able to bring to the party under the right = circumstances: 1. Money: I will put up $5,000 for the initial space/Build out once = there is a REAL proof of concept. Furthermore I will pledge another $250 = a month in contributions for at least the first year. 2. Commitment: Well I think I handled that one above, but to borrow a = euphemism from my grandfather: "Son do you know the difference between = involvement, and commitment?" No Grandpa... "Well the Chicken is = INVOLVED in you breakfast of Bacon and eggs, the Pig, he is the = Committed one." Anyone who truly wants a hackerspace to come about has = got to be COMMITTED. That means either TIME, or MONEY, or preferably = BOTH. 3. Time: This is currently in short supply for me, but will hopefully = get better in a few months. I will however give as much of my time as = possible to get to "Proof of concept" and get this thing rolling. I also = Have all the construction tools needed to build anything including = compressors, nail guns, everything ever made in 18v by Ryobi or Dewalt = etc... So as to not put too fine a point on this. IT IS TIME TO PUT UP OR SHUT = UP! If you want this, it ain't gonna be free, and if you aren't willing to = commit, I don't wanna see you hangin' around the place. Everyone has = something to give, so give it. The next step is a real organizational meeting. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Personally I would like to see something in a warehouse type of space. I = know of at least one person on this list that likes to build battle = robots ;p It would be cheaper and easier to build out how we would want it. Anything concern of mine is will this place be open 24/7 or will we have = access to the facility any time we want? (Insert witty Joshua want to = make films at 3am comment here) - Joshua Estes http://www.ScenicCityLabs.com http://www.ChattanoogaDevelopers.com @JoshuaEstes @ScenicCityLabs @ChattDevelopers "If you live periods of your life in misery, when you remember back to = those times, all you'll remember is the misery. The misery robs you of = great memories you could otherwise be making." Makes me wish I was back in chattanooga. I could probably get some decent gear for donations from our "recycle" pile. The hackerspace here in k-town seemed to stagnate as quickly as it started. But I think the chugaluggans have what it takes to get it started right :) -B for headphones come code, beverages plus

=============================================================== From: Joshua Estes ------------------------------------------------------ I'm pretty sure that between everyone on this group we can come up with some type of proof of concept. We should all meet up one day soon (Chugalunch?) to discuss and put together some type of formal plan. We need to come up with some type of monthly costs. How much would it take to run something like this? What would be revenue streams to keep the thing afloat? Was thinking of maybe doing a swap meet on a quarterly basis with tables for $25 each? Something cheap, it's not meant as a way to cover all costs. What about offering some type of classes? Let the local hackers teach others ;p As far as staying open 24/7, maybe there can be some type of key card entry system? Still would need someone there. (Or we could build robot guards) Maybe the whole place doesn't need to stay open the whole time, but could it be possible to close part of it? Maybe even hire some college student real cheap to watch the place at night. Just throwing ideas out. I want to see this thing open as much as anyone else =) - Joshua Estes http://www.ScenicCityLabs.com http://www.ChattanoogaDevelopers.com @JoshuaEstes @ScenicCityLabs @ChattDevelopers "If you live periods of your life in misery, when you remember back to those times, all you'll remember is the misery. The misery robs you of great memories you could otherwise be making."

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Let the college student live there as payment. No guests, must keep the place clean.... That might affect (good or bad, IDK), the legality of it, if it's a residence. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Benjamin Stewart ------------------------------------------------------ I can't claim to have much business sense, but I do have two cents to add to this idea: I wonder if it would be more economical and easier to manage if such a space ran more as a clubhouse and less as an always-open business. I've been a member of a gem and mineral club (read: jewelry makerspace) in the past that had very nice facilities, and ran this way. There were regular times during which the shop was open, plus any time there happened to be a "foreman" present. There were dues, plus I think an hourly rate for the use of the shop, which just paid to keep up the facilities. It worked well, was sustainable in the long run, and didn't have to be anybody's entire life. Obviously it would take a large initial investment of time and money to set up and get to that place, but this concept, adjusted to computers and fab toys, was instantly what I thought of when I heard of a hackerspace. I'd join that.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Ok, I will draw up a POC doc and we can all review on Friday at Chugalunch. = PLEASE annoy the piss out of me to get this done. =20 -AW nto this idea. Aaron got me all worked up over it a couple of years ago... b= ut so far nothing has happened. ircumstances: s a REAL proof of concept. Furthermore I will pledge another $250 a month in= contributions for at least the first year. emism from my grandfather: "Son do you know the difference between involveme= nt, and commitment?" No Grandpa... "Well the Chicken is INVOLVED in you brea= kfast of Bacon and eggs, the Pig, he is the Committed one." Anyone who truly= wants a hackerspace to come about has got to be COMMITTED. That means eithe= r TIME, or MONEY, or preferably BOTH. etter in a few months. I will however give as much of my time as possible to= get to "Proof of concept" and get this thing rolling. I also Have all the c= onstruction tools needed to build anything including compressors, nail guns,= everything ever made in 18v by Ryobi or Dewalt etc... ! mit, I don't wanna see you hangin' around the place. Everyone has something t= o give, so give it. now of at least one person on this list that likes to build battle robots ;p= ccess to the facility any time we want? (Insert witty Joshua want to make fi= lms at 3am comment here) se times, all you'll remember is the misery. The misery robs you of great me= mories you could otherwise be making." nes de, us

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Friday BAD for me... Show in Vegas. Sunday, or all of next week is good for me. Personally I think this is a little too much to handle at a lunch. I can = offer my offices for a meeting on Sunday, or after work any night next = week. Although Mike's office are more "hackerey" than mine ;-) HINT HINT Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Ok, I will draw up a POC doc and we can all review on Friday at = Chugalunch. PLEASE annoy the piss out of me to get this done. =20 -AW totally into this idea. Aaron got me all worked up over it a couple of = years ago... but so far nothing has happened. right circumstances: there is a REAL proof of concept. Furthermore I will pledge another $250 = a month in contributions for at least the first year. euphemism from my grandfather: "Son do you know the difference between = involvement, and commitment?" No Grandpa... "Well the Chicken is = INVOLVED in you breakfast of Bacon and eggs, the Pig, he is the = Committed one." Anyone who truly wants a hackerspace to come about has = got to be COMMITTED. That means either TIME, or MONEY, or preferably = BOTH. get better in a few months. I will however give as much of my time as = possible to get to "Proof of concept" and get this thing rolling. I also = Have all the construction tools needed to build anything including = compressors, nail guns, everything ever made in 18v by Ryobi or Dewalt = etc... SHUT UP! commit, I don't wanna see you hangin' around the place. Everyone has = something to give, so give it. I know of at least one person on this list that likes to build battle = robots ;p have access to the facility any time we want? (Insert witty Joshua want = to make films at 3am comment here) those times, all you'll remember is the misery. The misery robs you of = great memories you could otherwise be making." wrote: website. for headphones come to code, beverages possibly plus per

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ We will do both. First idea session at Chugalunch, second one at either Phi= l or Mike's office. -AW ffer my offices for a meeting on Sunday, or after work any night next week. . PLEASE annoy the piss out of me to get this done. =20 nto this idea. Aaron got me all worked up over it a couple of years ago... b= ut so far nothing has happened. ircumstances: is a REAL proof of concept. Furthermore I will pledge another $250 a month i= n contributions for at least the first year. hemism from my grandfather: "Son do you know the difference between involvem= ent, and commitment?" No Grandpa... "Well the Chicken is INVOLVED in you bre= akfast of Bacon and eggs, the Pig, he is the Committed one." Anyone who trul= y wants a hackerspace to come about has got to be COMMITTED. That means eith= er TIME, or MONEY, or preferably BOTH. better in a few months. I will however give as much of my time as possible t= o get to "Proof of concept" and get this thing rolling. I also Have all the c= onstruction tools needed to build anything including compressors, nail guns,= everything ever made in 18v by Ryobi or Dewalt etc... P! mmit, I don't wanna see you hangin' around the place. Everyone has something= to give, so give it. now of at least one person on this list that likes to build battle robots ;p= ccess to the facility any time we want? (Insert witty Joshua want to make fi= lms at 3am comment here) ose times, all you'll remember is the misery. The misery robs you of great m= emories you could otherwise be making." ones ode, s lus

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ What restaurant, Peppers?

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ Here is a great slide show on setting up a hackerspace. http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/attachments/1003

=============================================================== From: Rod Young ------------------------------------------------------

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Phil: UtiliFlex aka GeekLabs is open for any meetings. I can't make Phil's level of commitement right now.. but could help with monthlies in a few months.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ You have my limitless moral support. Go team! - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Likewise. If I didn't have to get my finances balanced, i'd be in financially, but I can offer my web design, programming, marketing, social media services. Also, I have some experience with power tools.

=============================================================== From: Ben Romines ------------------------------------------------------ Im all for this i have been looking for a place like this for a long time now... and for me Atlanta and Knoxville are to far to drive. Me personally im willing to do 40 or 50 dollars a month on a membership basis, and i know there are people that are off list that would also be interested in this. Oh and being a compact person and having experienced with power tools im usable for construction and setup.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Spark Park good for a name? I am also thinking this would be a good thing to mix with a tech incubator. -AW

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Could Sheldon help us with the involvement/starting of an incubator?

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ We were already talking about something like this before it was mentioned here. The CoLab needs new space and my company could use some office/storage space away from my house. I think a good mixed use building could work nicely. -AW

=============================================================== From: Joshua Estes ------------------------------------------------------ So who is gonna spear head this project? Who is gonna be the one that gets the ball rolling and makes sure things get done? It's obvious there is an interest in this as this topic has spanned at least two different threads now. People have said they would be willing to contribute money, sweat, and maybe some blood in the process. Sheldon has talked about getting a tech incubator up for awhile and has already made a few connections and there just needs to be a push. This could be the push it needs. Also I have heard Mike talk about this a few times and I'm thinking we should push him a little to get it started =) The project will be a very big undertaking and it needs to be able to sustain itself. It needs to be planned and resources need to be used. - Joshua Estes http://www.ScenicCityLabs.com http://www.ChattanoogaDevelopers.com @JoshuaEstes @ScenicCityLabs @ChattDevelopers "If you live periods of your life in misery, when you remember back to those times, all you'll remember is the misery. The misery robs you of great memories you could otherwise be making."

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ When I see this many ideas firing off via email, its a telltale sign we need an in-person meeting to iron out the details and concerns. I vote Peppers, but I know it can be noisy.

=============================================================== From: Colby Alpert ------------------------------------------------------ Why not do it at Mchales?

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ I do need an excuse to go there...

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ The Creation Station Idea Nursery Idea Farm Idea Barn The Crucible HKRSPC Nvint Just Try It Hack Shack H@x Create Cave Workbench Hackbench Playbench ThoughtMill Mill It Over Thought Studio Idea Studio @elier hackufactory Hack-U-Factory The Plant The Basement The Garage Your Parent's Basement The Attic Depot ok - i'm done for now - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Hello all, I have been a chugalug subscriber for a while, but havent posted much to the thread. When I seen the hackerspace topic come up, it peaked my interests :) I would be willing to donate time/money/sweat/server/whatever to see this get going. Its an excellent idea! This would also be a great place to incubate small tech businesses or just a place for people that can work from home (like me) to go to change scenery. Lynn Dixon

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Creation Incubation Station? - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Is McHales family friendly? Do they allow smoking? Been wanting to visit, but not sure on the environment of an irish pub for a family dinner..... Would love to find a good stout! e is reads and could s and great some uilding od g =A0that would tools , social e: - e at

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I'm about to be slammed and out of the country a lot again, so not me.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ I'm interested as well, and available on Friday for a lunch = meeting...happy to lend PM capabilities if someone needs to take the = lead on making this project happen, provided the support is there (and = it appears that it is). Also can potentially make a monthly monetary = contribution for use of the space. Also, have a power tool or two (or 10). Lisa Ridley=

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ Chattahack

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ I would be interested in meeting Friday. I can put together a spreadsheet based on Aaron's cost estimates and determine what type of dues would need to be charged.

=============================================================== From: Donald Rudder ------------------------------------------------------ Hackanooga

=============================================================== From: Colby Alpert ------------------------------------------------------ SourceNooga

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=============================================================== From: Rod Young ------------------------------------------------------ So pePpers friday?

=============================================================== From: Joshua Estes ------------------------------------------------------ I already had plans for friday, http://thecompanylab.posterous.com/colab-fridays-launch-january-7th so can someone post some of the topics that you go over? I should be able to make it to future meetings. Thanks, - Joshua Estes http://www.ScenicCityLabs.com http://www.ChattanoogaDevelopers.com @JoshuaEstes @ScenicCityLabs @ChattDevelopers "If you live periods of your life in misery, when you remember back to those times, all you'll remember is the misery. The misery robs you of great memories you could otherwise be making."

=============================================================== From: Rod Young ------------------------------------------------------ Sounds interesting.=20 I might squeeze an hour out friday. I yield to the whim of the group. Jut tell me where the discussion is and the food options. ose

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ I think we should mix the crowds. It would be cool to mix the creative types with the geeks to see what happens. Besides, more support cannot really hurt at this point. -AW

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ It sounds like we're having two meetings: One on friday, the other on sunday when Phil gets back from CES.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Really, because there's a conference on Main Street that begs to differ...j/k Unless the Sunday meeting is for financiers and grand-poobahs of the Secret Order of Chugalug, I plan on heading to both.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ I totally forgot about CES... I so wanted to go this year. -AW

=============================================================== From: Rod Young ------------------------------------------------------ /dev/mem where we physically access the memory of our community. Or something that folks in the know would get. Is /. already taken? to this

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ go to CES for me, I am friggin sick of travel..Meh Who is putting together the Sunday meeting, and where/when is it? Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 I totally forgot about CES... I so wanted to go this year. =20 -AW =20 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Cameron Kilgore = wrote: It sounds like we're having two meetings: One on friday, the other on = sunday when Phil gets back from CES. I already had plans for friday, = http://thecompanylab.posterous.com/colab-fridays-launch-january-7th so = can someone post some of the topics that you go over? I should be able = to make it to future meetings. Thanks, - Joshua Estes http://www.ScenicCityLabs.com http://www.ChattanoogaDevelopers.com @JoshuaEstes @ScenicCityLabs @ChattDevelopers "If you live periods of your life in misery, when you remember back to = those times, all you'll remember is the misery. The misery robs you of = great memories you could otherwise be making." So pePpers friday?

=============================================================== From: Rod Young ------------------------------------------------------ Or /dev/core? e: ch to e this to

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ You pay for the trip and I will... -AW

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Which.. part of my interest in going to that was finding out what was going on with Create Here and Colab.. I hear their space will be up for rent in a few months or more.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I totally had my CES pass and everything. I've never been before. Then work scheduled a meeting this week, so I cancelled my plans and blew my travel money... Guess what happened to the meeting? *fumes* - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Joshua Estes ------------------------------------------------------ CreateHere will shut it's doors the end of this year. So I assume the space will be available around that time. I'm not sure if CoLab will move or not. Would have to speak with Sheldon about that. I plan on bringing this topic (topic being hackerspace in Chatt) up when I see him this Friday. It might be a nice fit to have a hackerspace/incubator. - Joshua Estes http://www.ScenicCityLabs.com http://www.ChattanoogaDevelopers.com @JoshuaEstes @ScenicCityLabs @ChattDevelopers "If you live periods of your life in misery, when you remember back to those times, all you'll remember is the misery. The misery robs you of great memories you could otherwise be making."

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Copied to Chugalug: At the last meeting, we talked about checking out Pasha.. I thought we decided to go there. Lets meet somewhere, and get a website up and mailing list up and running as a shell. Suggested: Camphouse at 6pm, mostly because you've (Cameron) already posted it as a location.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ We can still go to pasha. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Harrison" To: chugalug@chugalug.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 3:03:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Chugalug] Hackerspace Copied to Chugalug: At the last meeting, we talked about checking out Pasha.. I thought we decided to go there. Lets meet somewhere, and get a website up and mailing list up and running as a shell. Suggested: Camphouse at 6pm, mostly because you've (Cameron) already posted it as a location.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Consensus vote?

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ anybody going early for a beer? Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Consensus vote? We can still go to pasha. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Harrison" To: chugalug@chugalug.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 3:03:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Chugalug] Hackerspace Copied to Chugalug: At the last meeting, we talked about checking out Pasha.. I thought we decided to go there. Lets meet somewhere, and get a website up and mailing list up and running as a shell. Suggested: Camphouse at 6pm, mostly because you've (Cameron) already posted it as a location.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Dear Fellow Cat Herder, Neither proposed site has beer, It's 5pm. I'm heading to the Camphouse right after I pick up my Princess at 5:30. Let's start there.. and then maybe vote on the second half at The Terminal or some other location.. A brew sounds good.

=============================================================== From: Matt Eslinger ------------------------------------------------------ The Belgian White at the Terminal is sooooooo good....

=============================================================== From: "K. Elise Walker" ------------------------------------------------------ Hey Guys, Rod just alerted me that someone might be potentially interested in using one of my old logos for the Hackerspace. That is all well and good. Or, I can work on a brand new design if interested. Sorry I've been a little out of pocket. Things have been hectic @ the 9-5, and I felt a little burned after the way the Hackerspace fell apart last go-around. I'm interested in helping, just not sure how deep I want to dive in until I see how serious it's going to get. Thank you for the opportunity to work with you. I look forward to your reply. K. Elise Walker Design and Development Specialist ------------------------------------------------- Werkew Design www.werkew.com WerkewDesign@gmail.com | 1-423-622-4243 Ask me about imprinted promotional products today!

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Hackerspace is most definitely happening. I would like to make use of your byte code design if your willling. I have a server setup and I own all variants of chattahack.com

=============================================================== From: "K. Elise Walker" ------------------------------------------------------ Ryan, email me personally and I will forward you the design. What formats do you need the files in? Right now I have .ai, .eps, .jpg, and .pdf. But, I can do any format that you need. I'm just glad someone is finally interested in using one of them. I like that one the best too. :)

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ If you are interested in making item, monetary, or time donations to the creation of chattahack.. let me know. I propose a meeting next thursday, place is TBD.. maybe a techie can let us borrow some space for the hash out sessions. please reply to let me know you are interested in joining the hash out session. it is still very much alive and going

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ We can do it at my office. -AW reation of chattahack.. let me know. s borrow some space for the hash out sessions. sion.

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ I am in after work any day this week. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 We can do it at my office. -AW the creation of chattahack.. let me know. let us borrow some space for the hash out sessions. session.

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ I am slowly getting up a load of crap, ummm, I mean really really cool stuff, to donate. Nothing fancy, just old computers/parts that can hopefully be repurposed for something useful. I hope we will have somewhere to store this stuff as soon as I get it loaded up, because if it gets rained on then it gets rained on... and that would be a shame...

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ I will have a storage area for "cool stuff" :)

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ If we are to accept donations and have a monthly membership fee I believe we would have to create a 501(c)(7) entity, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ the donations are still tax deductible I think though

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Ever seen the movie groundhog day? This ever recurring hackerspace thread is my groundhog = day...AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!! Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 the donations are still tax deductible I think though If we are to accept donations and have a monthly membership fee I = believe we would have to create a 501(c)(7) entity, someone correct me = if I'm wrong. I will have a storage area for "cool stuff" :) On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Ed King = wrote: I am slowly getting up a load of crap, ummm, I mean really really cool = stuff, to donate. Nothing fancy, just old computers/parts that can = hopefully be repurposed for something useful. I hope we will have = somewhere to store this stuff as soon as I get it loaded up, because if = it gets rained on then it gets rained on... and that would be a = shame... From: Ryan Macy To: CHUGALUG Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 10:34:21 PM Subject: [Chugalug] Re: Hackerspace If you are interested in making item, monetary, or time donations to the = creation of chattahack.. let me know. I propose a meeting next thursday, place is TBD.. maybe a techie can let = us borrow some space for the hash out sessions. please reply to let me know you are interested in joining the hash out = session. it is still very much alive and going

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ We found our cheerleader/cat herder/slave driver though. Ryan is trying to carry the mantle and I applaud him for it. -AW

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ I have always been up for this idea if it can ever get off the ground with some real estate. I would be willing to pay a membership fee or "donation" and would be willing to put in time to help get it going.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ We will not have "real estate" for a while. I would suggest that we start collecting dues from day 1 and use that to build a budget. We cannot have real space without a real business and insurance. Right now everyone will be benefiting from the good will of those of us with space. -AW

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ In that case, should we move to set this up as a non-profit as someone had suggested earlier? Or even license it as a business and create a board with a treasurer and secretary to keep track of the finances?

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Probably will be a 501(c)(7)

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ IM fine with that as long as there is some structure and someone to handle the finances until their is enough saved to invest in real estate.

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ When ever I have spare time I devote it to working on the chattahack infrastructure. I have a cloud server up, I own chattahack.com + .net + .org + .info and I am working on the website to get it online. I think we will try to have a hash out session this week or next to get the goal of chattahack out.. among other things... like the intent of the group... The biggest help right now would be participants and volunteering of ones time. Monetary donations are always helpful however small because they help me offset the cost of the server and soon to be uhaul storage of donated "stuff" [ err cool stuff as it was put earlier ;) ].

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Chattahack I mean come on it cant be more official then that ;-) haha

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Well, I would be willing to donate some of hosting for you. I run a small webhosting company, and I would be willing to set you up with an account so you could save some costs on the cloud server. I use DirectAdmin for the user control panel, and I have alot of free resources on my machines.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Exactly the reason Chugalug is an "Anarchy Collective". It's easy. ;) But it also limits the things it can do.

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ This is perhaps a bit early or already thought of, but I think it might be cool for Chattahack to have a room with a bunch of parts, pieces, and wires that serves two purposes. 1 So that people can tinker with it, perhaps try installing Linux, Unixes, or perhaps hobby OSs. A place to try things out. 2) A swapping place. This would have to be monitored somehow, but perhaps that same room, people could bring things in, and then take a few when needed? Just trying to help as much as I can from Ohio. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Ed King wrote= : omewhere ned

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ jason brown has already started that process. or at least the bank account at tvfcu. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Macy" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:17:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: Hackerspace If we are to accept donations and have a monthly membership fee I believe we would have to create a 501(c)(7) entity, someone correct me if I'm wrong. I will have a storage area for "cool stuff" :) I am slowly getting up a load of crap, ummm, I mean really really cool stuff, to donate. Nothing fancy, just old computers/parts that can hopefully be repurposed for something useful. I hope we will have somewhere to store this stuff as soon as I get it loaded up, because if it gets rained on then it gets rained on... and that would be a shame... From: Ryan Macy < ryan.macy@nimblr.us > To: CHUGALUG < chugalug@chugalug.org > Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 10:34:21 PM Subject: [Chugalug] Re: Hackerspace If you are interested in making item, monetary, or time donations to the creation of chattahack.. let me know. I propose a meeting next thursday, place is TBD.. maybe a techie can let us borrow some space for the hash out sessions. please reply to let me know you are interested in joining the hash out session. it is still very much alive and going

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ Same here!

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ Closed it. Never went anywhere. I think Aaron got farther than I did.

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ Maybe you've driven Phil off into the quarry enough times by now?

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ if you build it, they will come

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ I am with you all in spirit. --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ I need a hackerspace with a couple drill presses, lathes, welding equipment, and forging equipment. Hell and a smelting furnace for good measure

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ Some of that used to be in high school "shop class" I guess these days that is an artifact of the past. On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Stephen Kraus wr= ote: nt,