Comcast buys Timer Warner Cable

From: Billy 
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http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/12/investing/comcast-time-warner-cable/index.html?hpt=hp

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Wow, this affects us all in some way actually. It's amazing the SEC and other regulatory bodies will allow this to happen, and it looks very monopolistic.

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ Well, it'll probably pass, because cable providers are not normally competit= ors of each other. Due to regulations: Each region can only have a single municipal cable provi= der. And in Comcast/TWC, there are zero overlapping zip codes. So they aren'= t competitive for the same customers. Customers will still have the same choice: cable company or the other guy(s)= . Will your bill be lowered due to increase in size, complexity, migration eff= orts, and purchasing power? Probably not. Does this merger limit your choices? Actually, no. Sent from my iPhone ther regulatory bodies will allow this to happen, and it looks very monopoli= stic. .html?hpt=3Dhp

=============================================================== From: Wil Wade ------------------------------------------------------ The only thing that I can think of off the top of my head that it might limit are the choices of the content providers. A merger would cause Comcast to have a larger customer base. Channel XYZ will now have a weaker position.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Lynn, the SEC and FCC let this happen because their regulatory powers have been gutted by Citizens United and lobbying.

=============================================================== From: Jonathan Calloway ------------------------------------------------------ I=92m thinking that this may not be such a bad thing. If the cable = world is now going to be completely controlled by the suckiest cable = provider ever, perhaps the new players in the game will be motivated to = step up their games a little. Netflix and Hulu will get even better, = and the folks at ESPN3 may get it in their head that they can make a lot = more money by offering subscriptions rather than forcing you to have a = cable subscription to use their service. Just trying to be a little optimistic here. ..=20 On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Stephen Kraus = wrote: have been gutted by Citizens United and lobbying. and other regulatory bodies will allow this to happen, and it looks very = monopolistic. http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/12/investing/comcast-time-warner-cable/index.= html?hpt=3Dhp

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Except that the barriers to entry for new market entrants will be exceptionally high. While it may be easy for companies to serve as media outlets (we are seeing this with Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon), its not easy for them to actually run the infrastructure to get it to you.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Comcast and others have basically said they want to hold companies like Netflix hostage, requiring raised fees and they have no incentive to upgrade their infrastructure. Take a look at what happened in Kansas with Google Fiber, Comcast tried to use lobbyists to prevent Google from expanding, the bill was drafted and everything, only public outcry prevented it. On Feb 13, 2014 9:47 AM, "Jonathan Calloway" wrote:

=============================================================== From: flushy@flushy.net ------------------------------------------------------ After spending some time learning about various cable companies. Let me say with authority: Every system at some point is held together with duct tape and chewing gum. Let that sink in... --b Quoting Jonathan Calloway :

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Well duh there is a high barrier to entry? Like running an ISP with infrastructure is supposed to be easy? That'd be like saying running an automotive manufacturing firm should be simple, of course its not! The 'barrier to entry' precludes any idea thst running any sort of infrastructure that large should be easy to do or easy to get into. It was never easy or cheap.

=============================================================== From: Jonathan Calloway ------------------------------------------------------ My point here is that the cable companies have to come to grips with the = fact that the way consumers consume entertainment and media has changed. = They=92re flapping around like a fish that=92s just been caught. I = think this merger may present opportunities for alternatives to shine, = especially since there aren=92t a whole lot of customers out there that = are happy with Comcast. On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Stephen Kraus = wrote: infrastructure is supposed to be easy? That'd be like saying running an = automotive manufacturing firm should be simple, of course its not! infrastructure that large should be easy to do or easy to get into. It = was never easy or cheap. exceptionally high. While it may be easy for companies to serve as = media outlets (we are seeing this with Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon), its = not easy for them to actually run the infrastructure to get it to you. =20= wrote: world is now going to be completely controlled by the suckiest cable = provider ever, perhaps the new players in the game will be motivated to = step up their games a little. Netflix and Hulu will get even better, = and the folks at ESPN3 may get it in their head that they can make a lot = more money by offering subscriptions rather than forcing you to have a = cable subscription to use their service. wrote: have been gutted by Citizens United and lobbying. and other regulatory bodies will allow this to happen, and it looks very = monopolistic. http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/12/investing/comcast-time-warner-cable/index.= html?hpt=3Dhp

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Meanwhile, I'm just sitting here in Charterland with no cable. http://cdn.memegenerator.net/images/1823664.jpg *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: flushy@flushy.net ------------------------------------------------------ Quoting Jonathan Calloway : Cable companies are VERY aware. There are lots of technology on the horizon that should enable them to offer the al la carte offerings that people want as well as over-the-top TV, VoD, handheld device offerings (and all in a way that meets approval from Copyrighters). It's not just a technology thing, though. It's the whole industry that will have to change, from how Content Providers hock their content, to cable companies licensing it, to internet providers offering bandwidth. Once you start to pull that thread, you realize how interwoven it all is. The days of the ISP are over. Just as the days of the TV provider. And the days of the phone company. And the days of the cell company. Everyone in the industry is very aware, and they've been making changes toward this new era for decades. It's just a little slow when you're a megaton train -- you just hope the track is long enough. --b

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No, see recent negation of Net Neutrality regulations and current tech news featuring a story of TWC admitting to throttling NetFlix traffic. I fear this is the beginning of a whole new pissing match, and the consumers will be the ones pissed upon. Comcast Netflix pissing match has been well underway for over a year now. Regards, dtb - -- = "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJS/PFIAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdUfQH/2ADojtLQlhIOKyr92dFpEtq EL9fI5I25Ea1dw7SjNL3UuNUFt0Hdh5lX9M751UluAUhqAJ37q4Z1Az0DZ7NxkS1 CKYONy/QVBkq+ov80N69w0V6qgLbxurrWMJF2rRA9UpgHXQSGEQT+JoKqk29Eigb eTAiEb9f6FCa3Bz4aU+j3cL8x3WrIg5PXz0vrZ/3j+kgi4yTIjL2TE9TKaav2RwV LnkBYB+lwpyJtUfYgJWlaIQMQEoRKFBWpOCLXIOWIXrsY8xDr5ro8jylUXeEpXDQ EdGj8Ot6eji/kCCdwIKa5tebCgS9+nV9+yOm9ZPU+o2jcD70mvxB2YkdT/NRRAU=3D =3DuCBz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Rod ------------------------------------------------------ 1. Comcast now owns NBVC/Universal which produces TV content. 2. Cable is the last mile for a lot of people who want to watch hulu or= = netflix. 3. FCC, at the moment, does not have the authority to enforce net = nuetrality. yep no reason to stop this /sarcasm On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:00:15 -0500, Jonathan Calloway = wrote: he = just been caught. = e, = re that = an = t = = , = o = cable = e = et = = = = = ble/index.html?hpt=3Dhp

=============================================================== From: Rod ------------------------------------------------------ This Math Formula Shows Why the Comcast—Time Warner Cable Deal Should Be Blocked http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/02/why-comcasttime-warner-cable-should-be-blocked.html

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ And a magic Linux server that no-one really remembers what it does or how, but when it is offline, nothing else works well.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Flushy: Nice analogy. There are two entities with intrinsic value in the chain: A. entities with facilities/access to the customer, ie: last mile connections with right of way (not paying someone else for it), which is where EPB and other government entities controlling physical connections win. Cell phone / wireless companies with spectrum also win. B. entities with or producing content consumers are willing to pay for directly or by accepting soft costs (advertising). As Netflix and Amazon become content producers as well as distribution channels, they become much more valuable. ----- I wish I had gotten out of the ISP business sooner.. I knew it was coming.. just could not jump off the train any sooner. --Mike--

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Queue my SDN and "controller based network" rant.... :) Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJS/Se4AAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdJQYIAJkSKnhdylY19iqX1q/6dymt +FdhcSFObE+GhhTBxinhuXhnFxitVi/CZmlnukC9JLRx7S8EulJLCw8+Qq7OmKEn 2LaSsye4Y5WQIDHxIvBO+H/CtNwGDPhVQ88YVCkN2bYYCvdXaaAy+HK2l/xf5zkA Ey9EvCCkUQ/pRIGGiVgz5a/BzYScJhvTW0eem0fzdZdkccuFLR3etYKTrt7/hyST QvUv+bBcWMzXXmWiS0yUQD/plqOWpiFaYo/dt1GLTrwrxQ4jmX/5GS4g0p7FlbjR iHXYBbeBhmFhJWVOMS8gsHyUjAjAXrjRGP+fw1qz1kSgWb+yMsPvlNi4mrKUHg4= =4l3L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----