OT: esxi 5.5 and winxp 32

From: Matt Keys 
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Just a heads up that I discovered winxp 32 bit isn't compatible with the 
new vsphere 5.5 client. I'm pretty sure it's because of 
http://kb.vmware.com/kb/2049143 , but that refers to the real vsphere 
server whereas I'm connecting at the host level with the client. This is 
the error I get : http://www.mattkeys.net/winxp32

=============================================================== From: Reed Gregory ------------------------------------------------------ Well, you could get the either essentials bundle which are fairly reasonable on price. Another note on people using 5.5 in a stand-alone or free version setup is that you should NOT upgrade the virtual hardware of your virtual machines to version 10. If you do then you can no longer edit the virtual machine config using the client. The 5.5 thick-client can not edit virt-hw version 10. It tells you to use vsphere web client.... which if it is the free version, you don't have access to.

=============================================================== From: Matt Keys ------------------------------------------------------ Meh... in retrospect I should have stuck with 5.1. Thanks for the tip on virt hw 10 -- that's good to know! It may be time to switch back to kvm until I have a need for the essentials license.

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ Yep, I've discussed it before that they'd either need to roll the web client into the stand alone hypervisor eventually (and they're just dragging their feet on it), or they're yet again attempting to get people off of the free hypervisor onto the paid one (which Microsoft just gobbles up). VMWare has made a lot of management screw-ups recently and I'm not impressed. William Roush

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ +1 on that one. It took my vmware rep 8 months to get back to me on a question. They have basically been ignoring customers after they got their money. Thankfully competition is making them rethink some things and our new rep has been much more responsive. -B On Oct 18, 2013 10:35 AM, "William Roush" wrote:

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ I honestly think the whole vRAM fiasco was embarrassing on all levels, they tooted their horn about great it was, I wrote a multi-page blog post blasting their model and how it was more expensive for anyone that knew what they were doing and attempting to get higher guest:host ratios. I was also one of the most active community members during the time participating in the threadnaught they had about it. Microsoft swoops in, takes a good chunk of customers over it, massive marketing material that parrots what I've basically detailed, VMWare retracts their bad decision. Building their web tools on Apache Flex (Used to be Adobe Flex) is terrible, they have the resources to do a proper nearly full HTML5/JS feature-rich (I understand console access possibly needed to be done as some sort of a plugin, but still...), highly responsive and efficient client/server. Alas the largest hypervisor producer takes the easy road as opposed to the more sustainable one. It'll be sad to see VMWare to continue to fall over bad decisions, I really prefer their hypervisor over all others right now. William Roush

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ First, why are you running windows xp? ;-) If microsoft is dropping it, why would anyone else still support it? Second, the snazzy features that you wont see in the real client you wouldnt see anyway without a license. They will always have the hypervisor for free, vsphere/vcenter comes in when you need centralized management of all your hosts. (and lots of other features) They are headed in the web client direction and ive heard that they will eventually do away with the standard client (which i personally hate, the web client is slow) and there are plugins that arent ready for the web client yet, update manager is one of them. I would assume if they ever discontinue the standard client, they would roll out a web client version for the free hypervisor, you have to have some way to manage your host. I dont see that as pushing people to buy vsphere/vcenter. They people that need its features will buy it anyway, or already have it. They also just raised the host/vm restrictions in 5.5 for the linux vcenter server appliance which runs postgres. (no need for more MS and SQL licenses yay!) http://www.yellow-bricks.com/2013/08/26/vsphere-5-5-nuggets-vcenter-server-appliance-limitations-lifted/ I cant comment on vmware reps, ive never spoken to one.

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ I can't remember off the top of my head, but there is some new 5.5 feature that is available to the free edition, but due to no web client being available you have to use it over one of the various CLI methods. Not cool. William Roush

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ Oh yeah just remembered: editing hardware on guests using the new virtual hardware version 10, can't due it on the vSphere client, have to do it through the web UI. Kind of a big deal. William Roush

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ One of my other beefs with VMWare is that it is difficult for me to = figure out WTF I have licensing for because from the time we initially = ordered our licensure they have changed the @#$% name of pretty much = every product we bought at least once. -B they tooted their horn about great it was, I wrote a multi-page blog = post blasting their model and how it was more expensive for anyone that = knew what they were doing and attempting to get higher guest:host = ratios. I was also one of the most active community members during the = time participating in the threadnaught they had about it. marketing material that parrots what I've basically detailed, VMWare = retracts their bad decision. terrible, they have the resources to do a proper nearly full HTML5/JS = feature-rich (I understand console access possibly needed to be done as = some sort of a plugin, but still...), highly responsive and efficient = client/server. Alas the largest hypervisor producer takes the easy road = as opposed to the more sustainable one. really prefer their hypervisor over all others right now. question. They have basically been ignoring customers after they got = their money. Thankfully competition is making them rethink some things = and our new rep has been much more responsive.

=============================================================== From: Matt Keys ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah yeah... I know it's outdated/unsupported but winxp still serves me well as a small vm to run stuff on that I can't in my usual linux environment, e.g. vsphere client. It was quick 'n easy to install / reinstall and you didn't have to contact MS for a new key each time. From time to time I need to show one of our engineers or software devs a particular bug or configuration scenario and this was the best/most flexible way I found to accomplish that. I'd just temporarily poke a hole for them in the firewall for rdp and they'd connect directly to the winxp vm and launch the vsphere client from there. 5.5 has totally screwed that plan up... I'm thinking about just blowing away one of the esxi hosts and standing up kvm, that way they could just ssh in with x forwarding and launch virt-manager if they want/need to. The downside being virt-manager doesn't have all the snazzy features yet. Maybe it's time to give eucalyptus or oVirt another shot.

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ Was there a driving force that made you go from 5.1 to 5.5? If it was = just because there was a new version I would say just to roll back to = 5.1 and stick with that if you already have established business = practices and you know it works. -Bret me well as a small vm to run stuff on that I can't in my usual linux = environment, e.g. vsphere client. It was quick 'n easy to install / = reinstall and you didn't have to contact MS for a new key each time. = =46rom time to time I need to show one of our engineers or software devs = a particular bug or configuration scenario and this was the best/most = flexible way I found to accomplish that. I'd just temporarily poke a = hole for them in the firewall for rdp and they'd connect directly to the = winxp vm and launch the vsphere client from there. 5.5 has totally = screwed that plan up... standing up kvm, that way they could just ssh in with x forwarding and = launch virt-manager if they want/need to. The downside being = virt-manager doesn't have all the snazzy features yet. Maybe it's time = to give eucalyptus or oVirt another shot. wouldnt see anyway without a license. in when you need centralized management of all your hosts. (and lots of = other features) will eventually do away with the standard client (which i personally = hate, the web client is slow) and there are plugins that arent ready for = the web client yet, update manager is one of them. would roll out a web client version for the free hypervisor, you have to = have some way to manage your host. I dont see that as pushing people to = buy vsphere/vcenter. have it. vcenter server appliance which runs postgres. http://www.yellow-bricks.com/2013/08/26/vsphere-5-5-nuggets-vcenter-server= -appliance-limitations-lifted/ the new vsphere 5.5 client. I'm pretty sure it's because of = http://kb.vmware.com/kb/2049143 , but that refers to the real vsphere = server whereas I'm connecting at the host level with the client. This is = the error I get : http://www.mattkeys.net/winxp32

=============================================================== From: Matt Keys ------------------------------------------------------ Mainly I wanted to test out the reliable memory technology features in 5.5. I had a strange problem with one of my hosts shutting down under heavy load and was curious if it would help. I agree reverting back to 5.1 is probably best. I guess I'm just wondering if I could get more out of the hardware by using a different product. It's been a while since I tried oVirt or eucalyptus. I think they were still in beta last time I tried them out.

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ Nothing wrong with testing out new stuff! :) Best of luck and let us know how it works for you! -B

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ For me once I feel comfortable deploying that in production: it's VMFS being able to handle VMDKs up to 62TB, that is a huge deal. William Roush

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ On Oct 18, 2013, at 3:33 PM, William Roush = wrote: being able to handle VMDKs up to 62TB, that is a huge deal. 62 TB??? WTH are you doing? -- Stephen Haywood Owner, ASG Consulting CISSP, GSEC, OSCP 423.305.3700 http://asgconsulting.co

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ Porn? On Oct 18, 2013 5:44 PM, "Stephen Haywood" wrote:

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ pr0n.

=============================================================== From: Jonathan Calloway ------------------------------------------------------ I noticed that they are selling VMware player now..... What's up with that? Jonathan Calloway Sent from my iPad

=============================================================== From: Zachary Garvelink ------------------------------------------------------ I did not know they were selling player.... Looks like you can still get it for free (non commercial use). There is a link at the bottom of the product page for downloading the free edition. I am getting ready to upgrade my home lab to ESXI 5.5 from 5.1. Guess no vm hardware 10. Zac

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ We have AppAssure/Veeam virtualized. Would be nice to get statistics on the disk performance on those through VeeamOne. William Roush