EPB Gig-City Routers

From: Chad Smith 
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I've had a couple of non-lug Chattanooga friends already contact me about
the EPB announcement, and they are both asking about routers.

As I understand it, there is no currently available WiFi standard that
supports 1 Gbit/s.  N goes up to 300 Mbit/s, and ac goes up to 500
Mbit/s....

So, what routers do you all use/recommend?  (For the layperson, someone who
will never, ever, ever do anything with WRT or Tomato.)

*- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Rod ------------------------------------------------------ Too bad on the wrt, because if they had an old pci machine they could build a firewall box for a couple of bucks. (FA311's for $1.20 each) Wouldn't do gig but would do low end 100mbps. You may laugh at that. But for less than $3 US I can quadruple my net speed. That is a hell of a bargain at the moment. Sometimes you have to be frugal. -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I know I'm far from the most tech saavy person on this list, but having googled FA311, it looks like that is just an Ethernet port. Maybe I wasn't clear in my question. What I'm looking for are recommendations for an out-of-the-box wireless (and possibly wired as well, but focus on the wireless) router. - Is any off-the-shelf WiFi-N router "good enough" for most people? - Is 802.11ac worth the huge jump in cost (from $15~$25 for N to $90 - $300 for AC)? - Is the average non-geek even going to come close to 100 Mbit/s much less 1 Gbit/s under any plausible circumstances? - Any suggestions I can pass on to these Chattanooga-based EPB users? Thanks. *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Friends don't let friends use Netgear..... should have asked when you were here :) Thought we had this discussion a couple of weeks ago. You aren't "routing" or "firewalling" anything at a 1Gb unless you are dropping lots of dollars, or dropping a multi-core PCI-e box with a few Gb of RAM. For *routing* 1 Gb at line speed, and SG300-10 switch will forward 100 IP addresses in hardware at line rate. I suspect from the rest of your question you want a NAT/WiFi integrated device. I generally recommend separating your device functions. Use a *wired* firewall/NAT/Router device and use an Access Point. Expecting 1Gb routing/firewalling/NATing throughput on a "consumer broadband router" is kinda like expecting that 1908 Model T to get on I-75 and get up to 70mph. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSOR9fAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdFKUH/0P8dAqsCY0ilE6U51HyB+RE pFeIJfJn8MC4+zeq30fW4yNuWjDELVL497WVMMaKAZAHURjKuCBPQPPYpj23b2rr Yy23ZtWD/9FiY1JwvkSUxJDnWUyUcU+3XoAN53UUeta4xlmTUgX/4nwSnXtYleTL LanRx3pBFHEWTGPRFkWWPM9/QsdrluBv7yZ1J5/fRiCgMwmtDyg/Cled7KYzWKte 2PDgrFvfEl5D+b3TxD6J5qnxeXSIYd2xle3ghSxOawrJ/s/WcFU6vZuTLMnFoqw6 kuLHxGSqjqIWgM+uoikTqMaBd2KzEajbKRw9e2hGeCJZnQ/r1u0z/t/zlDXcovw= =hqXC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: DaWorm ------------------------------------------------------ If the wireless rate is only 300Mbs, having a wired rate of 1Gbs doesn't make downloads any faster.

=============================================================== From: Benjamin Stewart ------------------------------------------------------ I have no problem streaming Netflix across the house over 802.11G, so I would consider N to be more than plenty for "normal" people, and an upgrade for me! I would wait on AC until it doesn't cost such a premium. Even when I had "only" 30Mbps, I found pretty consistently that my (wired) downloads were limited by the server's upload bandwidth rather than my download bandwidth. I'll let others chime in on favorite router choices. My strategy in the past was to get the cheapest thing that would run DD-WRT or similar. Hope this helps!

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I've been impressed with the two ASUS ones I'm using, one at work and one in the office. You want a newer model, or update the firmwre..

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wifi is decent for PTP and a couple of links per radio. Due to shared medium access, it kinda sucks at anything beyond that if there is any real traffic on it. +1. Dual Band N would be the preferred way to go currently. If you really want to test your circuit, head on over to "the bay" and find yourself a 1Gb plus pr0n torrent. Defcon material also available via torrent can also be a good test (especially on upload), but you won't find nearly as many downloaders or seeders just waiting on you to join the swarm. It is. If it's v1, it's a horrible, horrible POS. If it's a v2, it's just a cheap POS. They are all based on the same SOC cheap hardware. If you want "good enough" performance for one or two network nodes, then yes, whatever cheap POS you can find will suit your needs. No, it will not keep up with a 100Mb or 1Gb Internet pipe. Again, if you want a real network, you need real equipment. Value is perceived by the person holding the wallet. For me, nope, not worth it all. But I'll take a cable over WiFi any day of the week. Nope, only when they test the needle on EPB's speedtest. If you want a real network, you need real equipment. Out of the box Consumer "routers" are not real equipment. They are plug and pray convenience boxes that focus on ease of installation rather than performance of the hardware. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSOa27AAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdt8MH/1E1VwN/X4Rh/nbNlZbRqMce QgMMKNzzapUAUd7ev7M4H3jY5xB1NLwwMFMZzj0izNtajMThiCaJGXvXiLnGpj1X qb6kxntq1zHZ0A/DX+B8BkX/r/oCdeo7ND7vzULJE/13Nm/8Hdrhf3ZZdvmR/VRy qVJUb6aRxb01BFNTVQ3HxUuA24hEFr9BmmTNGUY1A34VEdrYE6A5U7WX1O1xcMXJ WbvjPGsrE7xwMcBXCL1o9jd5f9h1BbWQKrIvqAzTELVb6PHYP+i/E3x1gGKDYUL8 J9uUGmc1r5/6FmuE1t24umgJJuVXIgXWT9G8MetslxexR2MYwq/U87I611LeLTY= =IhQD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Rod ------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:42:20 -0400, Dave Brockman wrote: Didn't say it was cutting edge. But a hardware guru I know says they work and and are well supported in all three os's. And work in a pinch. I have a few gigahertz plus single cores that would do the trick. It beats my current bottleneck. Not everyone can afford cisco at this time. Wish we could. -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cisco doesn't make NICs for PCs (not counting the PCI NICs used in the PIX boxen). But you were just at my house, and probably acquired a few gigahertz plus single cores that day. I have a full-sized ATX motherboard bag full of cheap PCI NICs you could have carried off with you for the same price! (Now it will cost you lunch :D) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSOb+7AAoJEMP+wtEOVbcd04sH/iOiy9XpDkcHqv6PS3rHi6Z0 K61AgxpYaSUUJjvioh9Vf65ktA2IBXI2FRBsVoq6jasnFetTK5z1UiReNrF15rHG suC01Jaetwv/meUb1Uq6FG8JXdQQ7b8rdyYioR/UNBYkvPrtkkose3IbPbBgNqAA SpjxbJlsdvtu16SpzZP3Y1eQ8q/PQRr59xpGEEvXc/q/3oYwdd2EMM5qQ73SS/tv /Qm046b50ILjM/tLvNCr4YL1wI0EBK9gHk2r1PybMjzMSWjjkHiA+x4dJJ88111g hB7qk3G7NgvwLaMuh/I7Vd/4l3NjUBtE5hI9bVWnVU9oL/zXU6mC9hnio0vzA8o= =IvP7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----