cloud comparison calculator

From: gary hasty 
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Has anyone found a really good cloud comparison calculator that compares
apples to apples (vm, OS license, bandwidth, etc) across the players for
public as well as private?

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ Apples to Apples? I didn't think you could run OSX in the cloud! -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: Dan Eveland ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.macincloud.com/

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Sounds like one of those things a big colo/cloud hosting company would have on their website, weighted in their favor.. ;)

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just between Rackspace and Amazon, that would be pages and pages if it were thorough enough to be useful. Plus the "private" services prices are often not advertised. Pretty much anything "private" at Rackspace requires a quote. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJR6b2nAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcd70sH/1KL5cmT5u97DKWopk8KUGtP qknynO4IkaOQWR4eZOFxYd9tG6JVCOyE/a9vTU+byMDjYOJnoUVyZIcLkjE1ZCc3 kYPK8nYHarr82iYX/lQp5jxnr0kxjw9QINypBulZARxzKCnsXckCGQg2vuMf4NXY cSRFf/dWfRLKa4CNGh+q2IKw9GN0hdLcPyF6hE7uIkzYrTeXvwNFQu3sB79Bqr7J aRB9J/ZzRjLfY/g3r6977StXshqEBXX5++EE5VmaYM+vu/z7HWXJf2uFzAd7TCEM p3zypqWXiBBq8W6PnKKFAiFOp7qHePXW7kKPdqAus69p5LPAuFzbbgbdLOHuSv8= =nnI6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ iCloud? https://www.icloud.com/ *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ At this point the only reliable and reasonable option is Rackspace. They are WAY more flexible and support hybrid (private/public) clouds. -AW

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ I would think someone at Gartner has done a comparison. But even then it's impossible to really compare, for instance, an Amazon x1.large to anything at RackSpace. I guess you could compare prices by assuming consistency across elements like "cores", "memory", "block storage space". But if you were to believe the marketing message of companies like SolidFire, you also have to, somehow, factor in QoS. Sure, you are paying for 4 cores, 4GB memory, 1TB of block storage. But how much does it cost to guarantee that your application will perform across those bits as they compete with "noisy neighbors"? I think there are two valid comparisons that could be made: 1. What is the cheapest system you can make at each provider? 2. What is the most expensive system you can make at each provider? -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: gary hasty ------------------------------------------------------ oh yeah...they all have those...that's why I'm looking for 3rd party

=============================================================== From: gary hasty ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, I've got all the Gartner stuff

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm pretty sure you put enough money behind your request and Rackspace will build you the datacenter. You can negotiate pretty much anything in it, physical or virtualized if you're serious. I don't know that any of the "major" competitors offer that level of choice. Apples to apples and all.... the other big guys are only in it at the abstracted layer TTBOMK. But you will pay through the teeth, eye sockets and every other orifice that normally does not bleed or secrete. I can get an entire cabinet worth of traditional colo for what 1 socket in 2U and an ASA 5505 will cost you a month. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJR6dc1AAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdXlIH/1ujvrZpbiB/TUvdIum8TkMg iiFrnlBL5FBPzQqtdWBVmMDCT4H5Esw4Jbbmg8Zl9+B3Us1IkAnRyo4nInSgm1YC korwAeSiyf+/4MJxSPzm200+7OTHj0ObQK+B4dA8bpIlEIavh0ZC0bhK7xDbCUgH gjXIrx2NDvi8EfO5Ehrkwatzsgm+9IgcTrMJmD2S7wb3obn8BeSeI01PGj/dFlxX neEKkObAWpKLdkYZzpmjsPDkfgzivNQbRlh0Mv8rUPccsBXjqblgzUNtK7TNTcd9 /G8s2BhJ7ZsCI4NPHj0aikWrbcXwqHlfseMHX+x0fhX56u+m/2OtRSbM8JzPBI0= =i1CT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ Agreed. There was a pretty serious outage on their next gen servers that affected one of my apps though, but other than that, Rackspace has been great.

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ I think it's fair to say for pretty much all provides: At one end of the spectrum: An absolute barebones VPS that willl run Wordpress for ~1000 hits per mont will be free. At the high end of the spectrum: ~ 16 cores per RU ~ 3TB high performance actual storage per RU (based on SolidFire) ~ 8TB standard performance per RU (generously based on 10x1TB 2.5" drives in RAID10). ~ 256GB RAM per RU This is roughly equivalent to the performance we are seeing in production from Dell at ~ $25K per server up front. This does not include bandwidth or real-estate costs. We are talking about absolute server density. Ultimately, PaaS boils down to cost per RU. Ironically, Chattanooga is well-positioned to own this space. Anyone on EPB can get 1GB bandwidth and fill their garage with racks. I'm betting the average 2-car garage in Hixson can easily provide 20x40 RU. Throw in $20K for AC upgrades and may be another $20K for GenSets.... This is how Chattanooga Online's competitors functioned: a garage in Hixson relying on consumer-oriented telco provisions. If you aren't leveraging your real-estate, you are losing money.Even COL's main advantage was their real estate. Buying the run--down hotel across from Williams Communication was absolutely brilliant. Who's up for starting the next COL? -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

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=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Gave me a shudder... I'll add that a successful colo business isn't about those commodity calculations as much as it is clueful people to run it. The COL and other properties are still here in town, surviving. None are "thriving". What makes Rackspace and a handful of other places is they reached scale with enough good people to "three-ring binder" the business. I guess nowdays it would be "CRM and Wiki" the business.

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ in some cases its "reverse engineer" the business ;-)

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ Rackspace runs on OpenStack: http://www.openstack.org/. You could go a step further and deploy Cloud Foundry on top of OpenStack and offer a PaaS like Heroku: http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ Any one in Chattanooga actually doing that?

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ I would elect to run OpenStack and then deploy OpenShift enterprise on top of that.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ We are running our hybrid cloud on OpenStack using IBM bladecenters and HP 2= U servers. Of course my storage is FC-SATA disks in a real SAN, but I got t= hat cheap. -AW p further and deploy Cloud Foundry on top of OpenStack and offer a PaaS like= Heroku: http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ : ulations as much as it is clueful people to run it. The COL and other proper= ties are still here in town, surviving. None are "thriving". ith enough good people to "three-ring binder" the business. I guess nowdays i= t would be "CRM and Wiki" the business.

=============================================================== From: Jonathan Calloway ------------------------------------------------------ You know, to take this back a couple steps, since Apple does support = running OS X Server on VMWare, why aren't people running it in the = cloud? Why aren't there instances of it out on EC2? and HP 2U servers. Of course my storage is FC-SATA disks in a real SAN, = but I got that cheap. a step further and deploy Cloud Foundry on top of OpenStack and offer a = PaaS like Heroku: http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ wrote: =20 calculations as much as it is clueful people to run it. The COL and = other properties are still here in town, surviving. None are "thriving". scale with enough good people to "three-ring binder" the business. I = guess nowdays it would be "CRM and Wiki" the business.

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ Apple's awesome licensing restrictions only allow OS X to run on Apple hardware. Yes, you can run OS X Server on VMWare, but to be legal, the virtual machine itself has to be running on Apple hardware.