Ubuntu Desktop

From: David White 
Has anyone seen a decline in the quality and reliability of Ubuntu in the
past few releases? I loved it for a long time and used 12.04 for a long
time. I ended up somehow screwing up that install, corrupting the OS, and
didn't take the time to repair it for a long time (just running off Windows
for my day-to-day desktop stuff).

Then as soon as I installed 12.14, it crashed numerous times within a short
while, so I just gave up on it and went back to Windows.

Tonight, I just installed 13.04, and not more than 20 minutes later it
crashed again.

If it crashes 1 more time, then I'm dumping Ubuntu once and for all, and
I'm moving on to something else. I've never been a fan of Ubuntu on servers
(but used to be a big fan of Ubuntu for desktops until I started having all
these issues).

I have no use for it if it can't run reliably on a standard 64-bit Intel

That said, if I decide to drop Ubuntu, what do you guys like to run as your
OS for desktop day-to-day computing?

Let the Distro Wars begin...

David White
Founder & CEO
Computing, Equipping, Networking, Training & Supporting
Nonprofit Organizations Worldwide

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ I haven't been able to get anything since 12.04 to run reliably on the 3-4 systems I've put it on. I keep going back to 12.04LTS. I try to use Mac OS-X for day-to-day computing and Ubuntu 12.04 in a VM for "heavy lifting". But I do have FreeNAS on one server and plan to setup another Ubuntu desktop system because I've got too many parts laying around... or maybe I should build a Windows box and sell it... -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ tinycore ;-) --- On Sun, 5/12/13, David White wrote: That said, if I decide to drop Ubuntu, what do you guys like to run as your OS for desktop day-to-day computing?

=============================================================== From: "kitepilot@kitepilot.com" ------------------------------------------------------ I ditched straight Ubuntu longtime ago because of the Unity junk, even though I got to run Cinnamon on top it, I had issue after issue. I tried Mint but I can't digest the whole deal. I now run Xubuntu 12.04 LTS in several boxes and seems to be stable. But I can see your frustration. Ubuntu got Linux off the hole, I hope it doesn't shove it straight back in... :( ET David White writes:

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Could it possibly be your hardware? What issues are you having? I ran 12.04 for a while and it ran great, just didnt like now the nvidia drivers acted (or didnt act) with 3 monitors. Wayne is running 13.04 (or maybe 13.10) on his Air and loves it.

=============================================================== From: DJ ------------------------------------------------------ I currently use Ubuntu 12.04 for 1 of my desktops & it's ok. I am having problems w/ it, but have found work a rounds for them. But I do agree w/ you, it does seem since the release of Unity, that it has declined in performance. My other desktop is running Fedora 18 w/ the Cinnamon desktop & I'm loving it. I have no issues at all w/ it. I would recommend it. Sent from my ASUS Pad kitepilot@kitepilot.com wrote:

=============================================================== From: Benjamin Stewart ------------------------------------------------------ I agree. Not an Ubuntu fan, but that sounds like a hardware problem. I'd bet it would still crash if you installed a different distro on the same setup. I had an old laptop do the same thing before, and it turned out to be the ATA controller.

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ I'm still a fan, and Unity has really grown on me. It took some getting used to obviously, but now I really do like it. I agree your issue sounds like hardware. 13.04 is running fine on my home hardware, I stick to the LTS releases for stuff that has to keep working (12.04). 13.04 does seem a lot more responsive. Windows 7 on another drive though is giving me tons of trouble, how hard should it be to clone a partition and get it to boot?.... sigh. I guess I will just re-install everything... again.. --Jason

=============================================================== From: Darren Breidigan ------------------------------------------------------ openSUSE 12.3 with no problems.

=============================================================== From: "kitepilot@kitepilot.com" ------------------------------------------------------ The hardware worked fine to the extent of what I used for, I just could not come to terms with Unity. Good hardware, bad brain... I installed Cinnamon and only 'little issues', each of them a 'little thing', all together a serious comfort drop. I recently found out that my power supply was unreliable and that may explain many 'real' problems, but the 'comfort' issue is still there. I feel 'uncomfortable' running Mint on top of Ubuntu on top of Debian (and other little quirks) and I settled about a year ago on LTS because I administer lots of Desktops fro friends and family an needed to standardise. ET Nick Smith writes:

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Quoting Jason Brown : I have an HP/Compaq laptop I rebuilt and installed 11.04LTS on, and recently upgraded it to 12.04. I'm getting ready to reinstall with 13.04, to see if it'll work. If not, back to 12.04LTS. I don't use it much, mainly when I'm going to be at work on a weekend and want to listen to streaming audio or something like that, so no big loss if it 13.04 doesn't work. FWIW, I don't use "regular" Ubuntu either... I use KUbuntu, because I'm a fan of KDE. That being said, I don't use a lot of the KDE apps on that laptop, but I'm more familiar with the layout and the "feel" of KDE, so I guess I'll stick with KUbuntu.

=============================================================== From: DaWorm ------------------------------------------------------ I have an older Lenovo laptop that I wiped Vista off of and intalled Xubuntu 12.04 on and it would occasionally crash. Updated to 13.04 and it has been quite stable. I originally moved to Xubuntu for my laptops because they were handmedowns or Netbooks and have stuck with it because I too dislike Unity. I still experiment from time to time. I think my next experiment will be #! (crunchbang).

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I believe I have a 12.04 on a nettop for my aunts family. My Uncle likes it, my Aunt doesn't. So I said fine go get key. I really have no patience anymore for people who think they need windows just to look at facebook and webmail. I ought install plain jane openbox with opera in kiosk mode just see what complaints that would get. ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 12 May 2013 22:27:10 -0400 David White wrote: I think Ubuntu peaked around 8.04. On Friday, I went to install Tabula on my home server, and the amount of ridiculous you have to go through to get a reasonable copy of Ruby on Ubuntu is... well... It's getting to the point where I may just as well run Debian Stable, 'cause so much crap is way out of date. And I use Xubuntu, but somehow Stickey Keys still makes it on to this machine, and the gawdawful Gnome keyring manager, and all the other crap that makes the machine less useful. So, yeah, I'm probably going to jump ship soon. Dan

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ I've come across what I think you're describing your problem to be with Windows 7. Look into "boot configuration data windows 7", and the command bcdedit: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ff404185.aspx I had to do that to get the boot loader off a secondary disk I had set aside for a Linux dual-boot system, and moved it back to my RAID volume. My current environment on my desktop now is a Windows 7 x64 installation, with Ubuntu Studio 12.04 LTS in a dual-boot configuration. Windows 7 is on a 300GB RAID 6 volume using an HP Smart Array P400 controller, a 1TB Seagate Constellation ES disk for data, an 80GB Intel SSD for Ubuntu Studio, and will be adding another 3.5" SATA disk for home directories on the Linux side as well. Let me know off-list if you need assistance with this. HTH r rs g nd g el

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ If it weren't for the fact that Steam is available on Linux, but only works on Ubuntu, I would still be on openSUSE for my preferred Linux distribution= . I am *not* sold on Ubuntu either. I'm glad I'm not the only person in the universe that thinks that way.

=============================================================== From: David White ------------------------------------------------------ I never had problems with 12.04 (the corrupted file system was my own fault), but everything seemed to start having problems as soon as I installed 12.14. I agree, it does seem to me that it could be a hardware issue. But as this laptop is only 2.5 years old, and 12.04 worked flawlessly on it, I see no reason why a hardware issue would suddenly be the cause right after installing 12.14. I've heard a lot of people, some of whom aren't on this list, that have echoed similar feelings towards Unity that some of you have already said: seems the performance and quality has gone down since Unity. I may try reverting back to 12.04 again, but I think its more likely I'll try a different OS like Fedora.

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ Seems worth a shot, I still have the original drive untouched and have only gone as far as installing Windows 7 fresh. I will do some playing in a VM first. --Jason

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Quoting David White : David, you might consider a different "flavor" of Ubuntu. As several folks here have mentioned (including myself) there are other "spins" of Ubuntu, such as Xubuntu or Kubuntu. I have used Lubuntu as well (LXDE spin.) So, just because you don't like the "Unity" interface is no reason to give up on Ubuntu altogether. :D Now just for the record, my main PC is running Fedora 18, but I'm having to use Thunderbird for email because the KDE mail client won't work for me (the "back end" keeps crapping out before I can start KMail, and I"m not the only one.)

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I'm currently still running Bodhi on several systems, working for me very well. But there is also a laptop running Fedora at the house, I need to spend more time with it, but am impressed so far.

=============================================================== From: Dominic Sundar ------------------------------------------------------ David i suggest that you get a copy of the latest Fedora, if memory serves me correctly i think its 18. i have being using Fedora for the past couple of years both on servers and desktop and haven't had much complains. Regards Dominic

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ isn't 18 where fedora decided not to shadow the install password? ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: Garrett Gaston ------------------------------------------------------ After Unity I moved from Ubuntu to Mint-Cinnamon. If you go to Cinnamon you= 'll probably want to click on Menu > Preferences > Hot corner - a deactivat= e the hot corner feature=2C it will drive you mad. om >