From: Ed King 
so, like, would anyone care to share (onlist or offlist) their experience (if 
you have any) with CenturyLink/Savvis cloud services?   I've done my own 
Google'ing and didn't like what I saw, yet, the powers that be want to continue 
down the "cloudy" path because "noone around here will work for $400/month".   

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:07:03 -0800 (PST) Ed King wrote: Because they're going to outsource the desktop machines, too? You have my sympathies... Dan

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ I don't have experience with CenturyLink/Savvis, but one Cloud-caveat I've encountered is if you have an application that demands disk performance, you have to work really hard to get what you need in the cloud. For instance, one client had a big SQL query with two joins that was nearly instantaneous on my local machine but took 6+ minutes on Amazon EBS (even with provisioned IO). The answer was to move the database to ephemeral storage (usually physical, instance attached storage) and put more effort into optimizing the database. I've been told that RAIDing EBS volumes helps but I skipped over that step. From a sysadmin position, there's a trade off in going "cloudy". You lose a lot of control but you gain some freedom. And backups (in the form of snapshots) are super easy. -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ thanks Eric, I didn't even think about disk I/O issues

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ I brought that up... how we would still have to have someone on-site to maintain workstations, printers, network, and of course our field tablets, but it falls on deaf ears. All he heard from them was "it will be about $400/month". Eric mentioned the freedom/control pendulum... all I can say is that we've had awesome uptime/availability from all the servers I maintain around here, if/when there's a problem, I'm "on it" like stink on shit. Let's see what kind of support $400/month buys. ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Lyke To: Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 10:27:08 AM Subject: Re: [Chugalug] cloud On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:07:03 -0800 (PST) Ed King wrote: Because they're going to outsource the desktop machines, too? You have my sympathies... Dan

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ Another thing to think about, typically "cloud" data can be accessed with a subpeona. If the servers are still in your possession, a warrant would be necessary. May not make much difference but it could be an issue. Along those same lines, if your "cloudy" provider also provides "cloudy" services to shady folks, you could lose your data and servers when the FBI comes in to shut down the shady folks.

=============================================================== From: gary hasty ------------------------------------------------------ We always encourage folks in that instance to encrypt on their end and they maintain the keys. That way the data is useless without the warrant to you for the keys.

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ Gary, I don't think it's about warrantless access to the data - it's about having the entire storage system you depend on being taken down by a clueless sheriff. Backing up across Amazon's regions helps in that situation. But then Amazon does a decent job of taking down it's own systems regularly. -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734