Reminiscing about times I was too young to remember!

From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" 
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=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ The problem with writing about using these services is any description we could give in words would make it seem lame compared to what's around today. I still occasionally connect to BBSes and play games and trade messages and such, but it's mostly for nostalgic purposes as those methods are largely impractical with email and IM in the state it is today. 20 years ago it was really hard to even imagine things evolving like they did. I suppose it's somewhat akin to reading books compared to watching TV. In the early days of TV, the quality was so bad that it was actually easier to imagine the world you were being thrown into by reading about it than by trying to fill in the gaps left by the screen. As time moves forward, these gaps are closing more and more, and as such, the visual medium is catching up to the written word in its ability to convey a story or setting. In a world paid for by ads, it's even harder to imagine how these old-timey services even existed. It all started as an academic exercise, and then expanded to some of the larger companies with needs to communicate data more efficiently. It was a wide-open infrastructure until people started abusing it. To finally get to your question after too much ado, I would get on and start looking for people who liked the same things I did. Not easy to find for someone who likes things not a whole lot of other people liked. Message boards, newsgroups, etc. A lot of research material was being offered in text format at the time, so I did a lot of digging in those fields too. All text, on a 80x25 terminal, moving at exactly the speed of mud. It was still faster than schlepping down to the library and digging through the books manually..... but only if what I was looking for was even available. With BBSes came color and crude animations, and thus the cycle repeats. in summary: it was just like what we have today, minus the pictures and trolls. -wes PS welcome to the last, best hope for good sci-fi :) On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ The problem with writing about using these services is any description we could give in words would make it seem lame compared to what's around today. I still occasionally connect to BBSes and play games and trade messages and such, but it's mostly for nostalgic purposes as those methods are largely impractical with email and IM in the state it is today. 20 years ago it was really hard to even imagine things evolving like they did. I suppose it's somewhat akin to reading books compared to watching TV. In the early days of TV, the quality was so bad that it was actually easier to imagine the world you were being thrown into by reading about it than by trying to fill in the gaps left by the screen. As time moves forward, these gaps are closing more and more, and as such, the visual medium is catching up to the written word in its ability to convey a story or setting. In a world paid for by ads, it's even harder to imagine how these old-timey services even existed. It all started as an academic exercise, and then expanded to some of the larger companies with needs to communicate data more efficiently. It was a wide-open infrastructure until people started abusing it. To finally get to your question after too much ado, I would get on and start looking for people who liked the same things I did. Not easy to find for someone who likes things not a whole lot of other people liked. Message boards, newsgroups, etc. A lot of research material was being offered in text format at the time, so I did a lot of digging in those fields too. All text, on a 80x25 terminal, moving at exactly the speed of mud. It was still faster than schlepping down to the library and digging through the books manually..... but only if what I was looking for was even available. With BBSes came color and crude animations, and thus the cycle repeats. in summary: it was just like what we have today, minus the pictures and trolls. -wes Yeah, I used Compuserve for a short time. Then I discovered BBSes. MUCH better. Better graphics (mostly,) better games, easier to move around on. I quit using Compuserve after a VERY short time. Never used AO-Hell, or GEnie... I *may* have logged on to GEnie once or twice, but that was about it. It's been so long since I used CompuSmurf, I don't even really remember much about it. :D

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I remember Compuserve: Slow and Expensive.

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:07:27 -0400 "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" wrote: What Wes said about things seeming lame in modern terms. What I remember of Tymnet was that if you could score the right access info, it could be a way to get to CompuServe without paying long distance charges. Of course you also had to score a CompuServe account, and when the whole damned BBS world was there in front of you. And if your local BBS scene wasn't cool enough, it was easier to hack long-distance calling services which, in those days, used a 4 digit(!) access code, short enough to be hacked by hand even if you didn't have an auto-dial modem. Or so I've heard *cough*. Dan

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ The interesting thing is those systems (BBS') were open while the new tech trends toward closed ecosystems. I remember taking a dumb terminal and slow modem to hit bbs systems and telneting via UTC Gandalf system. SDf.org can still give that feeling today. Found Gopher based blogs on there. What a concept! ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Not to mention taking advantage of all the weird telco setups to bypass LD. Example my dad had Grundy County phone service even though he lived on the edge of Marion Co.. By law you can't be charged LD to call your county seat (Jasper). So you call a system in Jasper to call Chattanooga which is locale to all nearby counties. The old telco system had all kinds of loopholes like that. ----- Original Message -----

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