Could the maker movement become the Maker Party?

From: Phil Shapiro 
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Hi chugalug community, 


I've been wondering this past week whether the maker movement might some day become the Maker Party. In all this heated presidential race, I haven't heard a single word from either candidate on how supporting the maker movement is our best hope for creating new jobs. 


I've lived in the Washington DC-area for almost 30 years and am pretty cynical about politics in general, yet if a Maker Party would ever form, I would be 150 percent behind it. If the Maker Party solidly promoted open source software for use in government, schools, hospitals, etc -- I'd be 250 percent behind it. 


To my mind, if your movement is not playing within the political arena, then it's playing on the sidelines. Sidelines" means you can be easily ignored and overlooked. 


Anyway, just wanted to share these thoughts for what they're worth. Didn't want to start a long discussion thread, cause I love the Linux focus of this list. Feel free to contact me off-list if this topic is of interest and I can coordinate some off-list discussion. I might coordinate a Google Hangout discussion on this topic sometime, too. 


phil shapiro 

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=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Phil Shapiro wrote: Parties are things that form and reform platforms around coalitions. For better or worse, things like patent law reform, first sale doctrine, etc, are all fairly minor issues around which to build a coalition. Further, I spent last year doing research for FHWA reports, and I'm fairly well convinced at this point that much of the money spent by the federal government on "research" is piddled away on Berkely PhDs who don't have the critical thinking skills necessary to escape from a paper bag and who are chasing bizarre and easily disproved theories. (The current focus on V2V communications being a perfect example) So I think that "make" culture (what we used to call hobbyists, back before TV) has some room to provide input to the major parties, but since I gave up on principles in politics I think that that's a far more pragmatic mechanism than trying to build a separate party structure. Dan

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ Politics can never based on principles unless everyone shares the same principles. Since we don't politics is based on compromise. What we are seeing with the Tea Party is an attempt to impose one set of principles on everyone and the basic mechanism of politics, compromise, is treated as an evil. If you want to make a difference in politics, help unseat Paul Broun in Georgia District 10. Broun is the House Science Committee member who recently said in a speech: =93All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it=92s lie= s to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.=94 On his website, he lays out how he decides each vote he makes: 1) Is it Right/Moral? 2) Is it Constitutional? 3) Is it Necessary? 4) Is it Affordable? So every vote he makes, his first consideration is "does this fit my personal belief system?" then he takes on the role of the Supreme Court by evaluating the constitutionality of each vote. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

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=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ So you don't think that lawmakers should care if the laws they write or vote on are constitutional or not? The process isn't pass whatever laws you want and leave it up to the courts to decide if they are constitutional or not - the courts merely provide a Check and Balance in case any laws are passed that they deem unconstitutional. Congress should never ignore the Constitution and leave all that up to the courts. That's ridiculous. *- Chad W. Smith* n n ies ng y -=3D-

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=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Spewing coffee.. and cheering Hallalujah! After spending a day recently at UTC (Smart Grid Workshop) and watching PhD engineers with bad Engrish read crowded powerpoint slides verbatim I did a lot of thinking to myself: Those that can not do (and get paid really well for doing) end up teaching. Sad, we need our best teaching.. so students can be even better than their teachers.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ The U.S. is a lot like some of our islamic/muslim neighbors in that the people with a religious axe to grind are very involved in politics. In the U.S. this was a major theme of the "700 Club" TV show and related "news networks". The real answer isn't to form a splinter party based on one theme/meme/plank (makers/foss/crypto.. etc...) but to get involved with and make small (yet important) changes to the parties and people currently and soon to be in power. Tweak the status quo a little, every single day. Change happens.

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