hello #cha and hackerspace

From: Taylor McDonald 
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Hello folks,

My name is Taylor McDonald and I have been lurking around the edges of  
the dev community in Chattanooga for about a year.  There has been a  
lot of conversation about a hackerspace in the past and even more so  
recently.  Being relatively new to the scene, I would like to link  
arms with what has been going on and contribute to the momentum  
already rolling.  This appears to be a great time to get something  
like this started, there are several organizations that would support  
a hackerspace, it just takes some time and effort to get them to see  
the vision.  I would like to help.

With regards for moving the hackerspace forward, is there interest in  
meeting this week to gauge interest, keep the momentum moving?  I  
suggest Thursday (22 December 2011) afternoon somewhere where beer is  
available.  Suggestions?

Full disclosure - This is a self-serving attempt to help cultivate,  
inspire and engage creation, innovation and community in Chattanooga.   
It is self-serving in that my company desires to eventually partner  
with the best and most talented chattanoogan's and a hackerspace will  
be where they can challenge each other and find new limits to break.   
Our company, Second Site, has partnerships with Layar (Dutch), Metaio  
(German) and other leaders in the Augmented Reality world and have  
ulterior motives to add Chattanooga to the world map when people think  
about AR.  It is coming and we will be a part of it.

Feel free to contact me:   taylor at secondsitellc ((.)) com

Best,

Taylor

423.486.8562 cell

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ T-Mac, Welcome to CHUGALUG - the Chattanooga Unix, Gnu, Android/Apple/etc, and Linux User Group. CHUGALUG was started by a bunch of geeks when Chattanooga Online was still in the Doctor's Building on McCallie. The original focus was professional topics related to Linux (as opposed to the typical Linux User Group, like CALUG, that mainly organized installfests for people who never used Linux). Currently, topics range from: 1. John Aldrich's questions about copyright permissions for photos of people's houeses 2. Cell phones and Tablets 3. My constant need for bigger, faster computing power - but not relying on cloud resources and despite my over-use of Windows (as you are aware, ArcGIS only runs on Windows) 4. The occasional network admin related question (like how to setup time servers at multiple data centers without relying on a network connection to NIST) 5. Discussions about the politics of security, privacy and information freedom. 6. And very rarely, but always to everyone's excitement, actual questions about Linux. These conversations tend to end rapidly because the level of cluefulness on this list resolves even the hardest Linux-related problem in usually one or two emails. (I should do some statistics on this). There are no formal officials in CHUGALUG. There is one rule concerning meetings: whoever asks when/where the next meeting will be is automatically named grand poobah and put in charge of deciding when/where the next meeting will be. So you are now Grand Poobah of CHUGALUG and have complete and final say over the time and location of the next meeting! Congratulations! -Eric P.S. For the CHUGALUGers who don't know Taylor, he's a pretty good Ultimate frisbee player, a great sail boat sailor, a talented environmental scientist and a recent acolyte of augmented reality. -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734 On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Taylor McDonald wrote:

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I Believe Ryan Macy was the latest to take up that torch. FYI the massive wharehouse on Wilder & Dodson that I was pushing for a site has been razed. Their killing off all cheap property y'all better hurry. ----- Original Message ----- From: Taylor McDonald To: chugalug@chugalug.org Sent: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:37:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Chugalug] hello #cha and hackerspace Hello folks, My name is Taylor McDonald and I have been lurking around the edges of the dev community in Chattanooga for about a year. There has been a lot of conversation about a hackerspace in the past and even more so recently. Being relatively new to the scene, I would like to link arms with what has been going on and contribute to the momentum already rolling. This appears to be a great time to get something like this started, there are several organizations that would support a hackerspace, it just takes some time and effort to get them to see the vision. I would like to help. With regards for moving the hackerspace forward, is there interest in meeting this week to gauge interest, keep the momentum moving? I suggest Thursday (22 December 2011) afternoon somewhere where beer is available. Suggestions? Full disclosure - This is a self-serving attempt to help cultivate, inspire and engage creation, innovation and community in Chattanooga. It is self-serving in that my company desires to eventually partner with the best and most talented chattanoogan's and a hackerspace will be where they can challenge each other and find new limits to break. Our company, Second Site, has partnerships with Layar (Dutch), Metaio (German) and other leaders in the Augmented Reality world and have ulterior motives to add Chattanooga to the world map when people think about AR. It is coming and we will be a part of it. Feel free to contact me: taylor at secondsitellc ((.)) com Best, Taylor 423.486.8562 cell

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ I tried and lost a nasty battle with spare time :/ Ryan Macy

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ There's a building on Broad Street built in 1905. Went and looked at it = a few months back. 2 stories, plus a full basement. Basement is dry (looked at the = building after recent rains and found no water). Foundation is solid. = Was a manufacturing building at one time, and has 4phase power run into = the building. Was recently renovated to add new HVAC (enough to run a = building 3x that size), new roof, and new electrical. 1st and 2nd = floors have heart pine plank flooring that was recently refinished (it's = really nice looking). Upstairs has a full kitchen at the back. 1 1/2 = bathrooms (1/2 bath on 1st floor, 3/4 bath on 2nd with emergency shower = bay for accidents). Outside entrance to the basement with 8 foot door, = plus access to basement via stairway from the 1st floor. Ethernet = cabling run throughout the building. With electrical in the building, could run power equipment in the = basement with no problem. Would be ideal to server as both a small = hackerspace and a tech center (offices / meetings spaces on 1st and 2nd = floors. Enough parking for 5-6 cars, but the owner of the lot behind the = building is recently deceased and it's for sale, so could be used for = more parking, or future expansion. If I had the money in the bank to purchase the building I would have it. = It's part of a backruptcy, so could be picked up for a song. Currently = listed at ~$340K, I'm betting could be picked for for < $250K, if anyone = on the list has the funds and is interested. a of think

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ $250K is really high compared to what a certain list member paid for a similar building on Main St - without the recent upgrades, of course. Sounds like it would be an ideal live/work place. The problem with using the whole thing for work or any public use is it would likely need an elevator installed. This was probably the main reason the aforementioned list member never got the upper floors of his building renovated. Of course, with the right space, the right connections could make this happen pretty easily. -Eric

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Oh, this building has had a ton of work done on it....probably one reasy = why the owners are filing for bankruptcy. My husband, who used to do = commercial construction, said there is $100K of new HVAC equipment in = that building easy, and probably $30K in electrical work -- his = assessment is that pretty much the owners got taken for a ride on the = HVAC, and some salesman made his quota off them. There's a 12 ton unit = on an external pad that's not even hooked up to the building -- it's = less than three years old. The remaining HVAC units are inside the = building -- 5 Tranes, if I remember correctly. The only thing that would need to be done to it before it could be = occupied that we could see is some plumbing fixture work in the = bathrooms. It's actually zoned live/work. The upstairs has a doorway out the back = of the building, but there's no external access to the doorway -- an = easy fix, though, with the addition of an external set of stairs. Given the age of the building, there may be some exemptions for elevator = access to the upper floor. IDK, not an expert on the regs there. it. It's part of a backruptcy, so could be picked up for a song. = Currently listed at ~$340K, I'm betting could be picked for for < $250K, = if anyone on the list has the funds and is interested. similar building on Main St - without the recent upgrades, of course. using the whole thing for work or any public use is it would likely need = an elevator installed. This was probably the main reason the = aforementioned list member never got the upper floors of his building = renovated. happen pretty easily.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Got an address on it? -AW hy the owners are filing for bankruptcy. My husband, who used to do commerc= ial construction, said there is $100K of new HVAC equipment in that building= easy, and probably $30K in electrical work -- his assessment is that pretty= much the owners got taken for a ride on the HVAC, and some salesman made hi= s quota off them. There's a 12 ton unit on an external pad that's not even h= ooked up to the building -- it's less than three years old. The remaining H= VAC units are inside the building -- 5 Tranes, if I remember correctly. d that we could see is some plumbing fixture work in the bathrooms. the building, but there's no external access to the doorway -- an easy fix,= though, with the addition of an external set of stairs. ccess to the upper floor. IDK, not an expert on the regs there. It's part of a backruptcy, so could be picked up for a song. Currently lis= ted at ~$340K, I'm betting could be picked for for < $250K, if anyone on the= list has the funds and is interested. milar building on Main St - without the recent upgrades, of course. he whole thing for work or any public use is it would likely need an elevato= r installed. This was probably the main reason the aforementioned list membe= r never got the upper floors of his building renovated. ppen pretty easily.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Yep. 2628 Broad Street = http://mlsarealistings.com/%28m2dtko450x4ueraqpslsjyzf%29/propertyDetails.= aspx?gateway

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Woops, sent that before I was done. The listing says 8,100 Sq Ft, but that's an overestimate. The tax = records show approximately 4800 SF, not including the basement. They've = included the square footage of a mezzanine area that was added between = the 1st and 2nd floors that's got a ceiling too low to be used for = anything but storage (if it were me I'd tear it out and return the 1st = floor ceilings to their original height). The 1st and 2nd floors have = about 2300 SF each, and the basement has the same. The back room area = has a trolley on rails to the 2nd floor that can be used to transport = heavy items from 1st to 2nd floor -- looks like it's probably original = to the building, but has had some modifications to make it more useful. The 1st floor has a lobby area with cafe doors to the back, a small = office with a privacy window that looks out onto the lobby area. The = middle area of the 1st floor is one big room with the bathroom to the = right rear, and the back room / storage area is partitioned off. The = loading dock has an entry door to the back room on the 1st floor. There = are also washer-dryer hookups on the 1st floor, outside the bathroom. = The 1st floor has and ugly indoor/outdoor carpeting, but we pulled up a = couple of sections and the heart pine flooring is underneath. The 2nd floor has two medium sized offices in the front, overlooking = Broad St, that have an adjoining door between them. There's a third = office that's partitioned off that's fairly large. A narrow area that = could be used for either storage or shared office space (it's like 10 X = 18-20 ft) is at the top of the front stairway, and a kitchen area in the = back with appliances, cabinets and room for a small dining table, and a = 3/4 bath with shower stall make up the back of the 2nd floor. The rest = of the 2nd floor is one large area that could easily hold several = workstations (6-8), or could be used as a conference room. The bricks = walls are exposed on the 2nd floor, but not on the 1st. The basement area has no windows. There's a cracked window on the 1st floor facing Broad St. that would = need to be replaced as well as the bathroom fixtures. http://mlsarealistings.com/%28m2dtko450x4ueraqpslsjyzf%29/propertyDetails.= aspx?gateway

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Used to be a Fly fishing place and an art or antique gallery? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Ridley To: CHUGALUG Sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:29:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Chugalug] hello #cha and hackerspace Woops, sent that before I was done. The listing says 8,100 Sq Ft, but that's an overestimate. The tax records show approximately 4800 SF, not including the basement. They've included the square footage of a mezzanine area that was added between the 1st and 2nd floors that's got a ceiling too low to be used for anything but storage (if it were me I'd tear it out and return the 1st floor ceilings to their original height). The 1st and 2nd floors have about 2300 SF each, and the basement has the same. The back room area has a trolley on rails to the 2nd floor that can be used to transport heavy items from 1st to 2nd floor -- looks like it's probably original to the building, but has had some modifications to make it more useful. The 1st floor has a lobby area with cafe doors to the back, a small office with a privacy window that looks out onto the lobby area. The middle area of the 1st floor is one big room with the bathroom to the right rear, and the back room / storage area is partitioned off. The loading dock has an entry door to the back room on the 1st floor. There are also washer-dryer hookups on the 1st floor, outside the bathroom. The 1st floor has and ugly indoor/outdoor carpeting, but we pulled up a couple of sections and the heart pine flooring is underneath. The 2nd floor has two medium sized offices in the front, overlooking Broad St, that have an adjoining door between them. There's a third office that's partitioned off that's fairly large. A narrow area that could be used for either storage or shared office space (it's like 10 X 18-20 ft) is at the top of the front stairway, and a kitchen area in the back with appliances, cabinets and room for a small dining table, and a 3/4 bath with shower stall make up the back of the 2nd floor. The rest of the 2nd floor is one large area that could easily hold several workstations (6-8), or could be used as a conference room. The bricks walls are exposed on the 2nd floor, but not on the 1st. The basement area has no windows. There's a cracked window on the 1st floor facing Broad St. that would need to be replaced as well as the bathroom fixtures.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ No, that place is a few blocks away (I know the one you're talking = about). The most recent business in this building was a photography studio. = They are currently in bankruptcy, and will be moving their facilities to = Cleveland TN. They also have a house in Fortwood for sale. If you're going down Broad St toward Lookout Mtn, this place is between = the freeway overpass and the RR viaducts at the old Wheland Foundry, on = the left side of Broad Street. Its about two blocks past the new = service station/convenience store that's on the left. records show approximately 4800 SF, not including the basement. They've = included the square footage of a mezzanine area that was added between = the 1st and 2nd floors that's got a ceiling too low to be used for = anything but storage (if it were me I'd tear it out and return the 1st = floor ceilings to their original height). The 1st and 2nd floors have = about 2300 SF each, and the basement has the same. The back room area = has a trolley on rails to the 2nd floor that can be used to transport = heavy items from 1st to 2nd floor -- looks like it's probably original = to the building, but has had some modifications to make it more useful. office with a privacy window that looks out onto the lobby area. The = middle area of the 1st floor is one big room with the bathroom to the = right rear, and the back room / storage area is partitioned off. The = loading dock has an entry door to the back room on the 1st floor. There = are also washer-dryer hookups on the 1st floor, outside the bathroom. = The 1st floor has and ugly indoor/outdoor carpeting, but we pulled up a = couple of sections and the heart pine flooring is underneath. Broad St, that have an adjoining door between them. There's a third = office that's partitioned off that's fairly large. A narrow area that = could be used for either storage or shared office space (it's like 10 X = 18-20 ft) is at the top of the front stairway, and a kitchen area in the = back with appliances, cabinets and room for a small dining table, and a = 3/4 bath with shower stall make up the back of the 2nd floor. The rest = of the 2nd floor is one large area that could easily hold several = workstations (6-8), or could be used as a conference room. The bricks = walls are exposed on the 2nd floor, but not on the 1st. need to be replaced as well as the bathroom fixtures. http://mlsarealistings.com/%28m2dtko450x4ueraqpslsjyzf%29/propertyDetails.= aspx?gateway

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Building: Bought for $38k, Sold for $380k.. Karmic Confluence. (not sure what it went for after that sale) But first you need a community of hackers that need the space..

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ I've been doing some GIS analysis for a company that's aggregating leases for fiber networks. In other words, I'm spending a lot of time trying to extract railroad right-of-ways. I don't know the actual lease terms, but I would be the lot that the building on Main sits on could lease for $38K/year (if not $38K/month). But first you need a community of hackers that need the space.. I think the real trick to building this community is to tie it into DIY/Maker culture and the Southeast's inherent DIY ethic. Instead of a smallish building downtown, how about a hangar at the Dallas Bay Skyport? That way you'd have enough room for nuts, like Ron Turcotte, to setup a CNC Lathe and share expertise. Enough room for the drag race fans to bring in a car. Maybe the edge they need is a custom Arduino fuel injection system but all they know how to do is rebuild a carburetor and cut tires. Note: the guys who race cars on the weekends spend money on their hobby in quantities geeks aren't used to. -Eric

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ Q: How do you make a small fortune in racing? A: Start with a large one.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Question: Where do the Local Blacksmiths meet to train? Answer: Tennessee Rail Road Museum East Chattanooga complex. I bring that up because we lost a chance to pick a humongous wharehouse (Entire City Block) just off Wilder & Dodson because the area offended some sensibilities. It was centrally located and close to both UTC and Chatt State for their students. There is probably a few unused industrials in that general area (Mueller) and on the river side of Amnicola. Aaron Likes the old Sears building across chatt state. Y'all need to decide if looking for a place to hold a cotillion or a place to get your hands dirty. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Youngblood To: CHUGALUG Sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:37:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Chugalug] hello #cha and hackerspace Q: How do you make a small fortune in racing? A: Start with a large one.

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ Not that I really want to get involved with the current mess of a Chattanooga hacker space, but I wonder if there are not some groups or businesses that could already partner together to develop this inside existing space. Or perhaps we just need to start a Chattanooga Computer Museum and meet there. Oh wait there already is one, in Aaron's basement :)

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ My approach would be to find a grant (such as the STEM project currently in process) to include. I've talked with the people pursuing this grant and told them of the maker movement's potential role in changing STEM education in the US. Didn't get much of a reaction, not surprisingly. I could push it if I had a business plan.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hehe, I don't know if we can afford the insurance to even let RT on the property, let alone touch the machinery..... :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7vfRMACgkQABP1RO+tr2R+8QCfW5qqqiauGy/Zw8PKW2Xbr7If 04sAn0jls9a9AAZzcOj3PHwJ+IM0aMsT =nUsm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Dale was custom coding engine control chips and data acquisuisition modules for race cars.. And was a hammer.. and.. and.. Yes, many of us with expensive hobbies spend a lot on them.

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ I don't mind having expensive hobbies. It is just important to recognize that they are hobbies.

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ There are models for hacker spaces that involve things like welding equipment and machining tools. The SF Bay area has several. And I can't imagine CA liability laws are more lenient than TN. And real estate is definitely more expensive in CA. -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No, the network gear museum is split between Aaron's hosue and mine, the computer museum is at Ed's. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7vq7IACgkQABP1RO+tr2RQhgCePHzZq/SvZwE+JPrcct2Bm6wT bTsAn3ptSRXbxZIuNbkoGTDFk4sarvI+ =wafZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was looking for Insurance that specifically had a Turcotte clause... :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7vrB4ACgkQABP1RO+tr2TB9ACdFxsvTEKbyOwse3asVFWGZuKw /kQAoKbZeqHxo3fMXAIwDLHYbbLck7Uo =gjlr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ I think that clause is "Ship the damned Quebecois back to Canada so he can take advantage of their free health care."