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      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">William Roush

On 10/6/2013 8:23 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
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      <div dir="ltr">Still not Stasi. This is about as bad as someone
        comparing the Police to Nazis and the Gestapo because they get
        arrested.<br>
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        Once again, if you think in any way that our country is ANYWHERE
        and ANYWAY comparable to a 1950s era Soviet Secret Police unit,
        you are out of your mind.<br>
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        And the NSA? As bad as they are, I've yet to see really any
        convincing evidence that they are using Prism to arrest people
        for speaking foul of Obama or Congress/Senate. So, its not the
        Stasi. They'd arrest you just for TALKING about overthrowing the
        government, the Tea Party's more radical factions are living
        proof that you do not live in a Stasi like law enforcement era.
        Then they'd torture you for talking about rebelling to find out
        who your friends were, or threaten you with death and
        'disappearing' you.<br>
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        The 'American' Stasi would have made the Tea Party disappear
        long ago for even talking about overthrowing the government.<br>
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        Please, if you are going to compare NSA/Prism/FBI/CIA to the
        Stasi, KGB, Gestapo, or any other extreme right wing/communist
        era draconian secret police, have something to show for it. I
        don't know, arrest for speaking bad about Obama, or hating on
        capitalism.<br>
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        And as far as Zersetzung, don't make me laugh. You have never
        experience psychological...unless you are literally telling me
        people are breaking into your house and rearranging your
        bookshelf and plates. The comparison is very poor.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Dave
          Brockman <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            <div class="im">On 10/6/2013 6:50 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:<br>
              > Still not Stasi. Seriously, let me know when you have
              a designated<br>
              > political officer in your building and spies around
              every corner.<br>
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            Perhaps deeper reading of the subject I suggested.  Look
            specifically<br>
            for *why* in addition to *what* it was/is.  Seriously, on
            average we<br>
            break 3 felonies a day, imagine how easy it must be to make
            people go<br>
            away with near global communications intercept and capture
            ability<br>
            awarded by secret courts with zero oversight.<br>
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              > But if you think the FBI, no matter hor broken and
              corrupt, you<br>
              > are dreaming. The Stasi are the evil twin of the FBI
              mixed in with<br>
              > 1984.<br>
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            FBI?  No, the FBI is just one of the lucky pawn agencies
            that receives<br>
            those magic tidbits of "evidence" that have to be written
            out of the<br>
            "official" reports after the fact.<br>
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              Regards,<br>
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              dtb<br>
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