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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">It's cool, I wasn't 100% clear on that
      one.<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">William Roush

On 10/6/2013 9:24 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
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      <div dir="ltr">Ah, sorry William. My mistake.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:10 PM, William
          Roush <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              <div>No, I meant that we're having a public discussion
                that includes a lot of ranting about the government and
                not having our doors kicked in over it.<br>
                <pre cols="72">William Roush

On 10/6/2013 9:10 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
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                    <div dir="ltr">Silk Road? A person running a drugs
                      trade on a website? The same person who ACTIVELY
                      sought and paid for what he thought was a hit on
                      someone who spoke ill of him?<br>
                      <br>
                      Not an innocent party, hell its called a black
                      market for a reason: Its illegal. I'm all for
                      legalizing pot, but he wasn't just some kid
                      growing marijuana plants in his basement selling
                      them on the side through Tor to people with
                      Bitcoins.<br>
                      <br>
                      If your site is trading in questionable goods that
                      would be considered illicit, you might get
                      arrested.</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at
                        8:50 PM, William Roush <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                            <div>The fact that this very thread is going
                              on...<br>
                              <pre cols="72">William Roush

On 10/6/2013 8:23 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
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                                  <div dir="ltr">Still not Stasi. This
                                    is about as bad as someone comparing
                                    the Police to Nazis and the Gestapo
                                    because they get arrested.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Once again, if you think in any way
                                    that our country is ANYWHERE and
                                    ANYWAY comparable to a 1950s era
                                    Soviet Secret Police unit, you are
                                    out of your mind.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    And the NSA? As bad as they are,
                                    I've yet to see really any
                                    convincing evidence that they are
                                    using Prism to arrest people for
                                    speaking foul of Obama or
                                    Congress/Senate. So, its not the
                                    Stasi. They'd arrest you just for
                                    TALKING about overthrowing the
                                    government, the Tea Party's more
                                    radical factions are living proof
                                    that you do not live in a Stasi like
                                    law enforcement era. Then they'd
                                    torture you for talking about
                                    rebelling to find out who your
                                    friends were, or threaten you with
                                    death and 'disappearing' you.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    The 'American' Stasi would have made
                                    the Tea Party disappear long ago for
                                    even talking about overthrowing the
                                    government.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Please, if you are going to compare
                                    NSA/Prism/FBI/CIA to the Stasi, KGB,
                                    Gestapo, or any other extreme right
                                    wing/communist era draconian secret
                                    police, have something to show for
                                    it. I don't know, arrest for
                                    speaking bad about Obama, or hating
                                    on capitalism.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    And as far as Zersetzung, don't make
                                    me laugh. You have never experience
                                    psychological...unless you are
                                    literally telling me people are
                                    breaking into your house and
                                    rearranging your bookshelf and
                                    plates. The comparison is very poor.</div>
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                                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct
                                      6, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Dave Brockman
                                      <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                        <div>On 10/6/2013 6:50 PM,
                                          Stephen Kraus wrote:<br>
                                          > Still not Stasi.
                                          Seriously, let me know when
                                          you have a designated<br>
                                          > political officer in your
                                          building and spies around
                                          every corner.<br>
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                                        Perhaps deeper reading of the
                                        subject I suggested.  Look
                                        specifically<br>
                                        for *why* in addition to *what*
                                        it was/is.  Seriously, on
                                        average we<br>
                                        break 3 felonies a day, imagine
                                        how easy it must be to make
                                        people go<br>
                                        away with near global
                                        communications intercept and
                                        capture ability<br>
                                        awarded by secret courts with
                                        zero oversight.<br>
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                                          > But if you think the FBI,
                                          no matter hor broken and
                                          corrupt, you<br>
                                          > are dreaming. The Stasi
                                          are the evil twin of the FBI
                                          mixed in with<br>
                                          > 1984.<br>
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                                        FBI?  No, the FBI is just one of
                                        the lucky pawn agencies that
                                        receives<br>
                                        those magic tidbits of
                                        "evidence" that have to be
                                        written out of the<br>
                                        "official" reports after the
                                        fact.<br>
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                                          Regards,<br>
                                          <br>
                                          dtb<br>
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