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<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>just another day on the lug.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 21:10:58 -0400, William Roush <william.roush@roushtech.net> wrote:<br></div><br><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0.80ex; border-left: #0000FF 2px solid; padding-left: 1ex">
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">No, I meant that we're having a public
      discussion that includes a lot of ranting about the government and
      not having our doors kicked in over it.<br>
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On 10/6/2013 9:10 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
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      <div dir="ltr">Silk Road? A person running a drugs trade on a
        website? The same person who ACTIVELY sought and paid for what
        he thought was a hit on someone who spoke ill of him?<br>
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        Not an innocent party, hell its called a black market for a
        reason: Its illegal. I'm all for legalizing pot, but he wasn't
        just some kid growing marijuana plants in his basement selling
        them on the side through Tor to people with Bitcoins.<br>
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        If your site is trading in questionable goods that would be
        considered illicit, you might get arrested.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:50 PM, William
          Roush <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:william.roush@roushtech.net" target="_blank">william.roush@roushtech.net</a>></span>
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              <div>The fact that this very thread is going on...<br>
                <pre cols="72">William Roush

On 10/6/2013 8:23 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
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                    <div dir="ltr">Still not Stasi. This is about as bad
                      as someone comparing the Police to Nazis and the
                      Gestapo because they get arrested.<br>
                      <br>
                      Once again, if you think in any way that our
                      country is ANYWHERE and ANYWAY comparable to a
                      1950s era Soviet Secret Police unit, you are out
                      of your mind.<br>
                      <br>
                      And the NSA? As bad as they are, I've yet to see
                      really any convincing evidence that they are using
                      Prism to arrest people for speaking foul of Obama
                      or Congress/Senate. So, its not the Stasi. They'd
                      arrest you just for TALKING about overthrowing the
                      government, the Tea Party's more radical factions
                      are living proof that you do not live in a Stasi
                      like law enforcement era. Then they'd torture you
                      for talking about rebelling to find out who your
                      friends were, or threaten you with death and
                      'disappearing' you.<br>
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                      The 'American' Stasi would have made the Tea Party
                      disappear long ago for even talking about
                      overthrowing the government.<br>
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                      Please, if you are going to compare
                      NSA/Prism/FBI/CIA to the Stasi, KGB, Gestapo, or
                      any other extreme right wing/communist era
                      draconian secret police, have something to show
                      for it. I don't know, arrest for speaking bad
                      about Obama, or hating on capitalism.<br>
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                      And as far as Zersetzung, don't make me laugh. You
                      have never experience psychological...unless you
                      are literally telling me people are breaking into
                      your house and rearranging your bookshelf and
                      plates. The comparison is very poor.</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at
                        7:50 PM, Dave Brockman <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dave@brockmans.com" target="_blank">dave@brockmans.com</a>></span>
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                          <div>On 10/6/2013 6:50 PM, Stephen Kraus
                            wrote:<br>
                            > Still not Stasi. Seriously, let me know
                            when you have a designated<br>
                            > political officer in your building and
                            spies around every corner.<br>
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                          Perhaps deeper reading of the subject I
                          suggested.  Look specifically<br>
                          for *why* in addition to *what* it was/is.
                           Seriously, on average we<br>
                          break 3 felonies a day, imagine how easy it
                          must be to make people go<br>
                          away with near global communications intercept
                          and capture ability<br>
                          awarded by secret courts with zero oversight.<br>
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                            > But if you think the FBI, no matter hor
                            broken and corrupt, you<br>
                            > are dreaming. The Stasi are the evil
                            twin of the FBI mixed in with<br>
                            > 1984.<br>
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                          FBI?  No, the FBI is just one of the lucky
                          pawn agencies that receives<br>
                          those magic tidbits of "evidence" that have to
                          be written out of the<br>
                          "official" reports after the fact.<br>
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                            Regards,<br>
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                            dtb<br>
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