<div dir="ltr">HAH! that was actually quite funny William.  </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:25 PM, William Roush <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:william.roush@roushtech.net" target="_blank">william.roush@roushtech.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>

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    <div>My new automatic response to all
      bitcoin threads:<br>
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      <pre cols="72">William Roush

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      On 9/19/2013 4:24 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Donald Trump is a scammer....a successful one, no
        doubt, but he is considered one of the worst people in the
        world:<br>
        <br>
        <a href="http://rt.com/business/trump-university-fraud-lawsuit-988/" target="_blank">http://rt.com/business/trump-university-fraud-lawsuit-988/</a><br>
        <div><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/24/trump-university-fraud-ny/2696367/" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/24/trump-university-fraud-ny/2696367/</a><br>


          <br>
          For pete's sake, he makes most of his money from the gambling
          industry, its about the largest LEGAL scam you can run! I'll
          also point out, he didn't need his success to get him rich,
          daddy did that for him.<br>
          <br>
          You can praise BFL all you want, but for SOME reason, there is
          a lot of talk against them underneath all the praise from
          people who did get their products in the end.<br>
          <br>
          I'm not even trying to make this about Bitcoin. I don't care
          about that. There is enough reason to be suspicious of BFL,
          sure every startup has their road bumps, but their road is
          literally filled with potholes that nobody is filling, and if
          they are they are putting dirt in them and saying its paved.</div>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Lynn
          Dixon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:boodaddy@gmail.com" target="_blank">boodaddy@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">Again,
              <div>Your links appear to support the fact they have a
                legitmate business license. As a business owner myself,
                I have had my tax reporting go delinquent. I am not sure
                about Kansas, but in TN, I had forgot to file my
                quarterly returns by ONE DAY...ONE freaking DAY.  Even
                after I had filed/paid my taxes, I still received a
                letter from the bureau telling me I was late. So, it
                appears they had a delinquency, big deal. They resolved
                the delinquency. No harm, no foul, even the best
                businesses let things slip sometimes.  As long as it
                gets rectified I have no problem with this.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>As for the disolution in MS, its possible they may
                have to just decided to let that license lapse. Why
                would they need it if they did not do business in that
                state?  Maybe they had plans to expand to MS, but those
                plans withered?  Who knows. I do not have a business
                license for every state in the US, only the ones where I
                must collect sales tax (I only have a presence in TN, so
                I only need TN).</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I still cant find anyting noting Germany refusing BFL
                shipments. There were some posts on the forums with a
                very small number of people having issues with them
                clearing customs, but there are also a number of people
                in Germany and other parts of the EU that have had no
                issues receiving them.  Customs is a strange
                thing...sometimes stuff goes through without a problem,
                sometimes it doesn't.  I would like to see some links of
                your resources where you get this information for my own
                benefit.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>There are also 2 accounts on the Lug of people
                (Myself included) receiving their shipments, and not
                being scammed.  Everyone knew a year ago, that when we
                bought our rigs, we would not get them for a long time.
                 It was a pre-order. Yes, I went over a year before
                receiving my product, but I knew that well before I
                bought.   In this same light, BFL has been superb with
                refunding customers whom wanted a refund, even up to
                almost a year after their purchase.  I have yet to see
                valid reports of people being "scammed" by BFL.  It
                boils down to this:</div>
              <div>1. We knew the product would be a long time out,
                BEFORE we paid</div>
              <div>2. BFL has been good at refunding customers when they
                ask. I haven't seen any reports of them refusing refunds
                (although they are a bit slow at refunds taking a day or
                2 to process).</div>
              <div>3. People are receving their rigs, enmasse.  I
                received mine, Matt received his, and all the fols I
                know paitent enough to wait are receiving theirs.  I
                have yet to hear of anyone not getting their orders or
                their money back.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>The "sell your pre-order" system was something that
                alot of the customers wanted.  It had been requested
                time and time again on the BFL forums, and they relented
                and set it up.  It's merely a classifieds system, where
                BFL has no part in the transaction.  They do not partake
                in any of the sales, or managing of the person-to-person
                sale of thier pre-order.  If I sell my pre-order for its
                face value, its perfectly legal to do so.  I see no
                problems in that.  What makes this illegal?</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>The company is founded by a scammer?  One of the
                investors did get into trouble for running a gambling
                website several years back.  He served his time, and
                paid his debt to society.  If he wants to invest in
                other businesses, I see no problem with this.  Hell, we
                could argue that Donald Trump is a scammer...look at his
                success. </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>It's just hard for me to grasp why people scream
                "SCAMMER!!! HISS!! HISS!!" at the company, when they
                have been shipping a metric crap ton of products to
                their customers.  They missed their shipping deadline,
                they admitted it.  They even offered to refund customers
                because of this.  They have honored the refund requests.
                 Now, they are shipping product, there are two eye
                witnesses here on the lug with their products in hand,
                making money from them.  How does this make the company
                a "SCAM!!!" ?  They are still, to this day, honoring
                refund requests, even a year after initial payment. This
                seems OK to me.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div>
              <div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:44
                    PM, Stephen Kraus <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ub3ratl4sf00@gmail.com" target="_blank">ub3ratl4sf00@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <div dir="ltr">Kansas' approval of BF Labs
                        buisness license is entirely based off their
                        buisness in Wyoming being legitimate:<br>
                        <br>
                        <a href="https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=149144214231010201167112190255028042109060235081" target="_blank">https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=149144214231010201167112190255028042109060235081</a><br>


                        <br>
                        They were delinquent...until 9/17 this year. Two
                        days ago.<br>
                        <br>
                        I'll also point out they changed their business
                        location from Casper, WY to Leawood, KS.
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><a href="https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?3402461" target="_blank">https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?3402461</a><br>
                          <br>
                          Germany is turning BFL equipment back at the
                          border for forged CE certifications.<br>
                          <br>
                          Lyn, the company is founded by a known
                          scammer, who is charging peoples cards and
                          then not shipping products out for MONTHS or
                          sometimes a year after charging the card,
                          people are filing chargebacks against him and
                          finding he 'shipped' products that they never
                          got.<br>
                          <br>
                          If this was ANY other company, and you charged
                          someones card without a FIRM and FINAL
                          delivery date, you'd get wrung through the
                          wringer.<br>
                          <br>
                          Not to mention his awesome 'Sell your
                          pre-order!' system. You REALLY think that is
                          legal?<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 19,
                              2013 at 3:20 PM, Lynn Dixon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:boodaddy@gmail.com" target="_blank">boodaddy@gmail.com</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                <div dir="ltr">Stephen,
                                  <div>Care to elaborate on your claims?
                                    Please don't tell me its from
                                    Buttcoin, as that site is full of
                                    shite and horribly wrong
                                    information.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>I spent about 5 minutes googleing
                                    your claims... seems false:<br>
                                    <a href="https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e4s8" target="_blank">https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e4s8</a> 
                                      Search for Business Entity number:
                                     <span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">4651691
                                       (The search results aren't
                                      linkable...sorry)</span><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><a href="https://www.kssos.org/filed_doc_viewer/view_entity.aspx?id=09262012465169112&submit=View+History+and+Documents" target="_blank">https://www.kssos.org/filed_doc_viewer/view_entity.aspx?id=09262012465169112&submit=View+History+and+Documents</a><br>


                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Those results show that their
                                    Wyoming license is active and in
                                    good standing.  Its also shows their
                                    Kansas status is active in good
                                    standing.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>I couldnt find anything about the
                                    CE marks (other than  the Buttcoin
                                    article that even has "ALLEGEDLY" in
                                    their own title).</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>If your going to make such
                                    claims, it would be nice to have
                                    supporting evidence.</div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu,
                                        Sep 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Stephen
                                        Kraus <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ub3ratl4sf00@gmail.com" target="_blank">ub3ratl4sf00@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                          <div dir="ltr">Hope you get
                                            your order before Kansas
                                            realizes their business
                                            license in Wyoming has been
                                            revoked, as well as in
                                            Missouri.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            And before the CE really
                                            gets pissed about their mark
                                            being misused.</div>
                                          <div class="gmail_extra">
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                              Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:45
                                              PM, Matt Keys <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mk6032@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mk6032@yahoo.com</a>></span>
                                              wrote:<br>
                                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                                                  <div>I got my 60gh/s
                                                    single today. All
                                                    together now :  <a href="http://tinypic.com/r/2e3sx80/5" target="_blank">http://tinypic.com/r/2e3sx80/5</a><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Regards,<br>
                                                    Matt<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    On 09/02/2013 01:29
                                                    PM, Lynn Dixon
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote type="cite">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">Matt,
                                                      <div>My first ASIC
                                                        order number
                                                        was <span>3598</span></div>
                                                      <div><span><br>
                                                        </span></div>
                                                      <div><span>Have
                                                          you been
                                                          keeping an eye
                                                          on Jody's
                                                          shipping blog?
                                                           </span><a href="https://forums.butterflylabs.com/members/bfl_jody.html" target="_blank">https://forums.butterflylabs.com/members/bfl_jody.html</a></div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>She gives
                                                        daily shipping
                                                        updates that
                                                        shows the order
                                                        dates that were
                                                        shipped.</div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                        Mon, Sep 2, 2013
                                                        at 8:23 AM, Matt
                                                        Keys <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mk6032@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mk6032@yahoo.com</a>></span>
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                                                          <div>Awesome,
                                                          can't wait to
                                                          get mine! What
                                                          was your order
                                                          #?
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 09/01/2013
                                                          01:59 PM, Lynn
                                                          Dixon wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">For
                                                          those
                                                          interested in
                                                          Bitcoin on the
                                                          lug, I have
                                                          finally
                                                          received my
                                                          first
                                                          Butterfly Labs
                                                          Single.<br>
                                                          </div>
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