<p dir="ltr">That seems incredibly valid and useful.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 18, 2013 3:16 PM, "Aaron Welch" <<a href="mailto:n2nightfall@gmail.com">n2nightfall@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Industrial scale cogeneration on manufacturing exhaust would be awesome.  If you take waste heat from a process and use it to create or offset the need for power on the input side a business could save millions per year not to mention lowering their carbon footprint.<br>

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-AW<br>
<br>
On Aug 18, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Rod-Lists <<a href="mailto:rod-lists@epbfi.com">rod-lists@epbfi.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
><br>
> Stephen that is only in a co-generation configuration in which they are capturing the heat of the system and putting it to work.<br>
><br>
> I think every generating system should be co-generation but doesn't always happen.<br>
> I also wondered about coupling geothermal to thermoelectric systems or stirling engines to generate electricity thus getting co-gerneration from the other direction.<br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Breaking it down implies Hydrogen, either way 80% is either<br>
>> impressive or bullshit as far as the law of thermodynamics<br>
>> On Aug 17, 2013 10:50 PM, "Rod-Lists" < <a href="mailto:rod-lists@epbfi.com">rod-lists@epbfi.com</a> > wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> It doesn't generate H or methane, it breaks it down.<br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> I don't know, I don't want anything generating hydrogen in that<br>
>>> amount near my house.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Diesel and biodiesel for me thanks.<br>
>>><br>
>>> 80% efficiency seems a bit on the high side too, and theres been<br>
>>> setups claiming efficiency like this that were found to be<br>
>>> overstated in the past.<br>
>>> On Aug 17, 2013 10:04 PM, "Chad Smith" < <a href="mailto:chad78@gmail.com">chad78@gmail.com</a> > wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> 2 year ROI. Not bad.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Man, the wannabe "prepper" in me is drooling.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> - Chad W. Smith<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Rod-Lists < <a href="mailto:rod-lists@epbfi.com">rod-lists@epbfi.com</a> ><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> New 25 Kw fuel cell tech that is claiming 80% efficiency in a<br>
>>> co-generation setup.<br>
>>> They claim they dropped the temperature down to 300 degrees and it<br>
>>> is<br>
>>> the size of a dishwasher.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Currently runs on methane but could do hydrogen.<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2013/08/14/redox-power-plans-to-roll-out-dishwasher-sized-fuel-cells-that-cost-90-less-than-currently-available-fuel-cells/" target="_blank">http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2013/08/14/redox-power-plans-to-roll-out-dishwasher-sized-fuel-cells-that-cost-90-less-than-currently-available-fuel-cells/</a><br>

>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://mtech.umd.edu/news/press_releases/redox_wachsman_fuel_cells.html" target="_blank">http://mtech.umd.edu/news/press_releases/redox_wachsman_fuel_cells.html</a><br>
>>><br>
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