[Chugalug] penetrate me!

Bret McHone dbmchone at gmail.com
Thu Mar 27 10:11:28 UTC 2014

We use Sword and Shield for our external pen testing.

They are good, the only thing you have to watch out for is that they like
to try to sell you stuff on top of their pen testing.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:02 AM, William Roush
<william.roush at roushtech.net>wrote:

>  I've dealt with pentesters before, it's kind of aggravating when I have
> working exploits they don't find and we're forking over tons of money for
> them to go on some tangent that results in nothing... :\
> Though I as I understand it the market is going the way of SEO and the
> like, once valid, now full of a lot of people that barely know how to do it
> and will just run the same tools you found and charge you insane amounts of
> money for it.
> Your client will probably want someone that can rubber stamp a pen test on
> you, so sadly it'll take more than someone that just *knows* security but
> can give you the paperwork to back it up and a company name.
> William Roushwilliam.roush at roushtech.net423-463-0592
> http://www.roushtech.net/blog/
>  On 3/27/2014 12:58 AM, Ed King wrote:
> Our "network administrator" at the main office quit over a year ago and a
> replacement was never hired.
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-silver/7/6a8/341
> Our "network administrator" at our "NOC" quit over a year ago and never
> got replaced.
> www.linkedin.com/in/mlaman
> Our "phone system guy" quit a year ago, a replacement was hired, but I've
> seen him, like, once.  When the phone/fax systems goes down, they call ME.
> http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=49461976
> So guess what?  I and one of the other programmers on my team inherited
> all these extra support duties (without a single f'ing penny of a pay
> raise, mind you).
> We inherited hardware and software that hasn't been updated in years
> (insert career-damaging-but-painfully-true
> my-boss-is-a-cheap-bastard-and-doesn't-spend-money-on-upgrades comment here)
> We know basic firewall, iptables, am mindful of sql injection, can
> install/run/monitor virus scanners etc, but we are not security experts nor
> do we play one on t.v.
> If this situation wasn't stressful enough, it has now come to a boil as a
> potential (big!) client "demands" proof of pen testing before they will let
> us host their data.    At this point I'm spread way to thin and told my
> boss today that he needs to crack open that wallet and hire an outside pen
> tester.    Anyone on the list "qualified" to do it?    Willing to work for
> peanuts?
> What defines a qualified pen tester?  I see what appears to be "free"
> software I could download and run myself, if I was inclined to take on more
> responsibility w/o pay.    I suppose this free software would be a "good
> start" but is a pen test done by an "internal" employee good enough for the
> client, I doubt it.
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