[Chugalug] ButterFly ASIC Single arrived -- My review

Rod rod-lists at epbfi.com
Thu Sep 26 14:58:05 UTC 2013


So it is a fiat currency?

On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:11:56 -0400, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/425561/april-17-2013/bitcoin-plunge
>
> This is meant for laughs only.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM, James Nylen <jnylen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I bet Jon Stewart owns bitcoins.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> HAH! that was actually quite funny William.  
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:25 PM, William Roush  
>>> <william.roush at roushtech.net> wrote:
>>>> My new automatic response to all bitcoin threads:
>>>>
>>>> http://i.imgur.com/7fQRech.gif
>>>>
>>>> William Roush
>>>>
>>>> On 9/19/2013 4:24 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
>>>>> Donald Trump is a scammer....a successful one, no doubt, but he is  
>>>>> considered one of the worst people >>>>>in the world:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://rt.com/business/trump-university-fraud-lawsuit-988/
>>>>> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/24/trump-university-fraud-ny/2696367/
>>>>>
>>>>> For pete's sake, he makes most of his money from the gambling  
>>>>> industry, its about the largest LEGAL >>>>>scam you can run! I'll  
>>>>> also point out, he didn't need his success to get him rich, daddy  
>>>>> did that for him.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can praise BFL all you want, but for SOME reason, there is a lot  
>>>>> of talk against them underneath all >>>>>the praise from people who  
>>>>> did get their products in the end.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not even trying to make this about Bitcoin. I don't care about  
>>>>> that. There is enough reason to be >>>>>suspicious of BFL, sure  
>>>>> every startup has their road bumps, but their road is literally  
>>>>> filled with potholes >>>>>that nobody is filling, and if they are  
>>>>> they are putting dirt in them and saying its paved.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com>  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Again,Your links appear to support the fact they have a legitmate  
>>>>>> business license. As a business owner >>>>>>myself, I have had my  
>>>>>> tax reporting go delinquent. I am not sure about Kansas, but in TN,  
>>>>>> I had forgot >>>>>>to file my quarterly returns by ONE DAY...ONE  
>>>>>> freaking DAY.  Even after I had filed/paid my taxes, I still  
>>>>>> >>>>>>received a letter from the bureau telling me I was late. So,  
>>>>>> it appears they had a delinquency, big deal. >>>>>>They resolved  
>>>>>> the delinquency. No harm, no foul, even the best businesses let  
>>>>>> things slip sometimes. >>>>>> As long as it gets rectified I have  
>>>>>> no problem with this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the disolution in MS, its possible they may have to just  
>>>>>> decided to let that license lapse. Why >>>>>>would they need it if  
>>>>>> they did not do business in that state?  Maybe they had plans to  
>>>>>> expand to MS, >>>>>>but those plans withered?  Who knows. I do not  
>>>>>> have a business license for every state in the US, only >>>>>>the  
>>>>>> ones where I must collect sales tax (I only have a presence in TN,  
>>>>>> so I only need TN).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still cant find anyting noting Germany refusing BFL shipments.  
>>>>>> There were some posts on the forums >>>>>>with a very small number  
>>>>>> of people having issues with them clearing customs, but there are  
>>>>>> also a >>>>>>number of people in Germany and other parts of the EU  
>>>>>> that have had no issues receiving them. >>>>>> Customs is a strange  
>>>>>> thing...sometimes stuff goes through without a problem, sometimes  
>>>>>> it doesn't.  I >>>>>>would like to see some links of your resources  
>>>>>> where you get this information for my own benefit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are also 2 accounts on the Lug of people (Myself included)  
>>>>>> receiving their shipments, and not >>>>>>being scammed.  Everyone  
>>>>>> knew a year ago, that when we bought our rigs, we would not get  
>>>>>> them for >>>>>>a long time.  It was a pre-order. Yes, I went over a  
>>>>>> year before receiving my product, but I knew that >>>>>>well before  
>>>>>> I bought.   In this same light, BFL has been superb with refunding  
>>>>>> customers whom wanted >>>>>>a refund, even up to almost a year  
>>>>>> after their purchase.  I have yet to see valid reports of people  
>>>>>> being >>>>>>"scammed" by BFL.  It boils down to this:
>>>>>> 1. We knew the product would be a long time out, BEFORE we paid
>>>>>> 2. BFL has been good at refunding customers when they ask. I  
>>>>>> haven't seen any reports of them >>>>>>refusing refunds (although  
>>>>>> they are a bit slow at refunds taking a day or 2 to process).
>>>>>> 3. People are receving their rigs, enmasse.  I received mine, Matt  
>>>>>> received his, and all the fols I know >>>>>>paitent enough to wait  
>>>>>> are receiving theirs.  I have yet to hear of anyone not getting  
>>>>>> their orders or their >>>>>>money back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "sell your pre-order" system was something that alot of the  
>>>>>> customers wanted.  It had been >>>>>>requested time and time again  
>>>>>> on the BFL forums, and they relented and set it up.  It's merely a  
>>>>>> >>>>>>classifieds system, where BFL has no part in the  
>>>>>> transaction.  They do not partake in any of the sales, >>>>>>or  
>>>>>> managing of the person-to-person sale of thier pre-order.  If I  
>>>>>> sell my pre-order for its face value, its >>>>>>perfectly legal to  
>>>>>> do so.  I see no problems in that.  What makes this illegal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The company is founded by a scammer?  One of the investors did get  
>>>>>> into trouble for running a >>>>>>gambling website several years  
>>>>>> back.  He served his time, and paid his debt to society.  If he  
>>>>>> wants to >>>>>>invest in other businesses, I see no problem with  
>>>>>> this.  Hell, we could argue that Donald Trump is a  
>>>>>> >>>>>>scammer...look at his success.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's just hard for me to grasp why people scream "SCAMMER!!! HISS!!  
>>>>>> HISS!!" at the company, when >>>>>>they have been shipping a metric  
>>>>>> crap ton of products to their customers.  They missed their  
>>>>>> shipping >>>>>>deadline, they admitted it.  They even offered to  
>>>>>> refund customers because of this.  They have >>>>>>honored the  
>>>>>> refund requests.  Now, they are shipping product, there are two eye  
>>>>>> witnesses here on >>>>>>the lug with their products in hand, making  
>>>>>> money from them.  How does this make the company a >>>>>>"SCAM!!!"  
>>>>>> ?  They are still, to this day, honoring refund requests, even a  
>>>>>> year after initial payment. This >>>>>>seems OK to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Stephen Kraus  
>>>>>> <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Kansas' approval of BF Labs buisness license is entirely based off  
>>>>>>> their buisness in Wyoming being >>>>>>>legitimate:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?>>>>>>>eFNum=149144214231010201167112190255028042109060235081
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They were delinquent...until 9/17 this year. Two days ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll also point out they changed their business location from  
>>>>>>> Casper, WY to Leawood, KS.
>>>>>>> https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?3402461
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Germany is turning BFL equipment back at the border for forged CE  
>>>>>>> certifications.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lyn, the company is founded by a known scammer, who is charging  
>>>>>>> peoples cards and then not >>>>>>>shipping products out for MONTHS  
>>>>>>> or sometimes a year after charging the card, people are filing  
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>chargebacks against him and finding he 'shipped' products  
>>>>>>> that they never got.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If this was ANY other company, and you charged someones card  
>>>>>>> without a FIRM and FINAL >>>>>>>delivery date, you'd get wrung  
>>>>>>> through the wringer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not to mention his awesome 'Sell your pre-order!' system. You  
>>>>>>> REALLY think that is legal?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com>  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Stephen,Care to elaborate on your claims? Please don't tell me  
>>>>>>>> its from Buttcoin, as that site is full of shite >>>>>>>>and  
>>>>>>>> horribly wrong information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I spent about 5 minutes googleing your claims... seems false:
>>>>>>>> https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e4s8    Search  
>>>>>>>> for Business Entity number: >>>>>>>> 4651691  (The search results  
>>>>>>>> aren't linkable...sorry)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.kssos.org/filed_doc_viewer/view_entity.aspx?id=09262012465169112&submit=View>>>>>>>>+History+and+Documents
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those results show that their Wyoming license is active and in  
>>>>>>>> good standing.  Its also shows their >>>>>>>>Kansas status is  
>>>>>>>> active in good standing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I couldnt find anything about the CE marks (other than  the  
>>>>>>>> Buttcoin article that even has >>>>>>>>"ALLEGEDLY" in their own  
>>>>>>>> title).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If your going to make such claims, it would be nice to have  
>>>>>>>> supporting evidence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Stephen Kraus  
>>>>>>>> <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hope you get your order before Kansas realizes their business  
>>>>>>>>> license in Wyoming has been >>>>>>>>>revoked, as well as in  
>>>>>>>>> Missouri.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And before the CE really gets pissed about their mark being  
>>>>>>>>> misused.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Matt Keys <mk6032 at yahoo.com>  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I got my 60gh/s single today. All together now :   
>>>>>>>>>> http://tinypic.com/r/2e3sx80/5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 09/02/2013 01:29 PM, Lynn Dixon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Matt,My first ASIC order number was 3598
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you been keeping an eye on Jody's shipping  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blog?   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://>>>>>>>>>>>forums.butterflylabs.com/members/bfl_jody.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> She gives daily shipping updates that shows the order dates  
>>>>>>>>>>> that were >>>>>>>>>>>shipped.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Matt Keys <mk6032 at yahoo.com>  
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome, can't wait to get mine! What was your order #?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/01/2013 01:59 PM, Lynn Dixon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For those interested in Bitcoin on the lug, I have finally  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>received my first Butterfly Labs Single.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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