[Chugalug] ButterFly ASIC Single arrived -- My review

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Thu Sep 26 14:53:20 UTC 2013

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 23:25:52 -0400, William Roush  
<william.roush at roushtech.net> wrote:

> My new automatic response to all bitcoin threads:
> http://i.imgur.com/7fQRech.gif
> William Roush
> On 9/19/2013 4:24 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
>> Donald Trump is a scammer....a successful one, no doubt, but he is  
>> considered one of the worst people in the >>world:
>> http://rt.com/business/trump-university-fraud-lawsuit-988/
>> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/24/trump-university-fraud-ny/2696367/
>> For pete's sake, he makes most of his money from the gambling industry,  
>> its about the largest LEGAL scam you >>can run! I'll also point out, he  
>> didn't need his success to get him rich, daddy did that for him.
>> You can praise BFL all you want, but for SOME reason, there is a lot of  
>> talk against them underneath all the >>praise from people who did get  
>> their products in the end.
>> I'm not even trying to make this about Bitcoin. I don't care about  
>> that. There is enough reason to be suspicious >>of BFL, sure every  
>> startup has their road bumps, but their road is literally filled with  
>> potholes that nobody is >>filling, and if they are they are putting  
>> dirt in them and saying its paved.
>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Again,Your links appear to support the fact they have a legitmate  
>>> business license. As a business owner myself, I >>>have had my tax  
>>> reporting go delinquent. I am not sure about Kansas, but in TN, I had  
>>> forgot to file my >>>quarterly returns by ONE DAY...ONE freaking DAY.   
>>> Even after I had filed/paid my taxes, I still received a >>>letter  
>>> from the bureau telling me I was late. So, it appears they had a  
>>> delinquency, big deal. They resolved >>>the delinquency. No harm, no  
>>> foul, even the best businesses let things slip sometimes.  As long as  
>>> it gets >>>rectified I have no problem with this.
>>> As for the disolution in MS, its possible they may have to just  
>>> decided to let that license lapse. Why would >>>they need it if they  
>>> did not do business in that state?  Maybe they had plans to expand to  
>>> MS, but those plans >>>withered?  Who knows. I do not have a business  
>>> license for every state in the US, only the ones where I must  
>>> >>>collect sales tax (I only have a presence in TN, so I only need TN).
>>> I still cant find anyting noting Germany refusing BFL shipments. There  
>>> were some posts on the forums with a >>>very small number of people  
>>> having issues with them clearing customs, but there are also a number  
>>> of >>>people in Germany and other parts of the EU that have had no  
>>> issues receiving them.  Customs is a strange >>>thing...sometimes  
>>> stuff goes through without a problem, sometimes it doesn't.  I would  
>>> like to see some links >>>of your resources where you get this  
>>> information for my own benefit.
>>> There are also 2 accounts on the Lug of people (Myself included)  
>>> receiving their shipments, and not being >>>scammed.  Everyone knew a  
>>> year ago, that when we bought our rigs, we would not get them for a  
>>> long time. >>> It was a pre-order. Yes, I went over a year before  
>>> receiving my product, but I knew that well before I bought.   >>>In  
>>> this same light, BFL has been superb with refunding customers whom  
>>> wanted a refund, even up to almost >>>a year after their purchase.  I  
>>> have yet to see valid reports of people being "scammed" by BFL.  It  
>>> boils down >>>to this:
>>> 1. We knew the product would be a long time out, BEFORE we paid
>>> 2. BFL has been good at refunding customers when they ask. I haven't  
>>> seen any reports of them refusing >>>refunds (although they are a bit  
>>> slow at refunds taking a day or 2 to process).
>>> 3. People are receving their rigs, enmasse.  I received mine, Matt  
>>> received his, and all the fols I know paitent >>>enough to wait are  
>>> receiving theirs.  I have yet to hear of anyone not getting their  
>>> orders or their money back.
>>> The "sell your pre-order" system was something that alot of the  
>>> customers wanted.  It had been requested >>>time and time again on the  
>>> BFL forums, and they relented and set it up.  It's merely a  
>>> classifieds system, >>>where BFL has no part in the transaction.  They  
>>> do not partake in any of the sales, or managing of the  
>>> >>>person-to-person sale of thier pre-order.  If I sell my pre-order  
>>> for its face value, its perfectly legal to do so.  I >>>see no  
>>> problems in that.  What makes this illegal?
>>> The company is founded by a scammer?  One of the investors did get  
>>> into trouble for running a gambling >>>website several years back.  He  
>>> served his time, and paid his debt to society.  If he wants to invest  
>>> in other >>>businesses, I see no problem with this.  Hell, we could  
>>> argue that Donald Trump is a scammer...look at his >>>success.
>>> It's just hard for me to grasp why people scream "SCAMMER!!! HISS!!  
>>> HISS!!" at the company, when they >>>have been shipping a metric crap  
>>> ton of products to their customers.  They missed their shipping  
>>> deadline, >>>they admitted it.  They even offered to refund customers  
>>> because of this.  They have honored the refund >>>requests.  Now, they  
>>> are shipping product, there are two eye witnesses here on the lug with  
>>> their products in >>>hand, making money from them.  How does this make  
>>> the company a "SCAM!!!" ?  They are still, to this day, >>>honoring  
>>> refund requests, even a year after initial payment. This seems OK to  
>>> me.
>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Stephen Kraus  
>>> <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Kansas' approval of BF Labs buisness license is entirely based off  
>>>> their buisness in Wyoming being >>>>legitimate:
>>>> https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?>>>>eFNum=149144214231010201167112190255028042109060235081
>>>> They were delinquent...until 9/17 this year. Two days ago.
>>>> I'll also point out they changed their business location from Casper,  
>>>> WY to Leawood, KS.
>>>> https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?3402461
>>>> Germany is turning BFL equipment back at the border for forged CE  
>>>> certifications.
>>>> Lyn, the company is founded by a known scammer, who is charging  
>>>> peoples cards and then not shipping >>>>products out for MONTHS or  
>>>> sometimes a year after charging the card, people are filing  
>>>> chargebacks >>>>against him and finding he 'shipped' products that  
>>>> they never got.
>>>> If this was ANY other company, and you charged someones card without  
>>>> a FIRM and FINAL delivery date, >>>>you'd get wrung through the  
>>>> wringer.
>>>> Not to mention his awesome 'Sell your pre-order!' system. You REALLY  
>>>> think that is legal?
>>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Stephen,Care to elaborate on your claims? Please don't tell me its  
>>>>> from Buttcoin, as that site is full of shite and >>>>>horribly wrong  
>>>>> information.
>>>>> I spent about 5 minutes googleing your claims... seems false:
>>>>> https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e4s8    Search for  
>>>>> Business Entity number:  4651691 >>>>> (The search results aren't  
>>>>> linkable...sorry)
>>>>> https://www.kssos.org/filed_doc_viewer/view_entity.aspx?id=09262012465169112&submit=View>>>>>+History+and+Documents
>>>>> Those results show that their Wyoming license is active and in good  
>>>>> standing.  Its also shows their >>>>>Kansas status is active in good  
>>>>> standing.
>>>>> I couldnt find anything about the CE marks (other than  the Buttcoin  
>>>>> article that even has "ALLEGEDLY" >>>>>in their own title).
>>>>> If your going to make such claims, it would be nice to have  
>>>>> supporting evidence.
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Stephen Kraus  
>>>>> <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hope you get your order before Kansas realizes their business  
>>>>>> license in Wyoming has been revoked, >>>>>>as well as in Missouri.
>>>>>> And before the CE really gets pissed about their mark being misused.
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Matt Keys <mk6032 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I got my 60gh/s single today. All together now :   
>>>>>>> http://tinypic.com/r/2e3sx80/5
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>> On 09/02/2013 01:29 PM, Lynn Dixon wrote:
>>>>>>>> Matt,My first ASIC order number was 3598
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you been keeping an eye on Jody's shipping blog?   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://>>>>>>>>forums.butterflylabs.com/members/bfl_jody.html
>>>>>>>> She gives daily shipping updates that shows the order dates that  
>>>>>>>> were shipped.
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Matt Keys <mk6032 at yahoo.com>  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Awesome, can't wait to get mine! What was your order #?
>>>>>>>>> On 09/01/2013 01:59 PM, Lynn Dixon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> For those interested in Bitcoin on the lug, I have finally  
>>>>>>>>>> received my >>>>>>>>>>first Butterfly Labs Single.
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