[Chugalug] ButterFly ASIC Single arrived -- My review

Lynn Dixon boodaddy at gmail.com
Fri Sep 20 03:38:21 UTC 2013


HAH! that was actually quite funny William.


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:25 PM, William Roush <william.roush at roushtech.net
> wrote:

>  My new automatic response to all bitcoin threads:
>
> http://i.imgur.com/7fQRech.gif
>
> William Roush
>
>
> On 9/19/2013 4:24 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
>
> Donald Trump is a scammer....a successful one, no doubt, but he is
> considered one of the worst people in the world:
>
> http://rt.com/business/trump-university-fraud-lawsuit-988/
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/24/trump-university-fraud-ny/2696367/
>
> For pete's sake, he makes most of his money from the gambling industry,
> its about the largest LEGAL scam you can run! I'll also point out, he
> didn't need his success to get him rich, daddy did that for him.
>
> You can praise BFL all you want, but for SOME reason, there is a lot of
> talk against them underneath all the praise from people who did get their
> products in the end.
>
> I'm not even trying to make this about Bitcoin. I don't care about that.
> There is enough reason to be suspicious of BFL, sure every startup has
> their road bumps, but their road is literally filled with potholes that
> nobody is filling, and if they are they are putting dirt in them and saying
> its paved.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Again,
>> Your links appear to support the fact they have a legitmate business
>> license. As a business owner myself, I have had my tax reporting go
>> delinquent. I am not sure about Kansas, but in TN, I had forgot to file my
>> quarterly returns by ONE DAY...ONE freaking DAY.  Even after I had
>> filed/paid my taxes, I still received a letter from the bureau telling me I
>> was late. So, it appears they had a delinquency, big deal. They resolved
>> the delinquency. No harm, no foul, even the best businesses let things slip
>> sometimes.  As long as it gets rectified I have no problem with this.
>>
>>  As for the disolution in MS, its possible they may have to just decided
>> to let that license lapse. Why would they need it if they did not do
>> business in that state?  Maybe they had plans to expand to MS, but those
>> plans withered?  Who knows. I do not have a business license for every
>> state in the US, only the ones where I must collect sales tax (I only have
>> a presence in TN, so I only need TN).
>>
>>  I still cant find anyting noting Germany refusing BFL shipments. There
>> were some posts on the forums with a very small number of people having
>> issues with them clearing customs, but there are also a number of people in
>> Germany and other parts of the EU that have had no issues receiving them.
>>  Customs is a strange thing...sometimes stuff goes through without a
>> problem, sometimes it doesn't.  I would like to see some links of your
>> resources where you get this information for my own benefit.
>>
>>  There are also 2 accounts on the Lug of people (Myself included)
>> receiving their shipments, and not being scammed.  Everyone knew a year
>> ago, that when we bought our rigs, we would not get them for a long time.
>>  It was a pre-order. Yes, I went over a year before receiving my product,
>> but I knew that well before I bought.   In this same light, BFL has been
>> superb with refunding customers whom wanted a refund, even up to almost a
>> year after their purchase.  I have yet to see valid reports of people being
>> "scammed" by BFL.  It boils down to this:
>> 1. We knew the product would be a long time out, BEFORE we paid
>> 2. BFL has been good at refunding customers when they ask. I haven't seen
>> any reports of them refusing refunds (although they are a bit slow at
>> refunds taking a day or 2 to process).
>> 3. People are receving their rigs, enmasse.  I received mine, Matt
>> received his, and all the fols I know paitent enough to wait are receiving
>> theirs.  I have yet to hear of anyone not getting their orders or their
>> money back.
>>
>>  The "sell your pre-order" system was something that alot of the
>> customers wanted.  It had been requested time and time again on the BFL
>> forums, and they relented and set it up.  It's merely a classifieds system,
>> where BFL has no part in the transaction.  They do not partake in any of
>> the sales, or managing of the person-to-person sale of thier pre-order.  If
>> I sell my pre-order for its face value, its perfectly legal to do so.  I
>> see no problems in that.  What makes this illegal?
>>
>>  The company is founded by a scammer?  One of the investors did get into
>> trouble for running a gambling website several years back.  He served his
>> time, and paid his debt to society.  If he wants to invest in other
>> businesses, I see no problem with this.  Hell, we could argue that Donald
>> Trump is a scammer...look at his success.
>>
>>
>>  It's just hard for me to grasp why people scream "SCAMMER!!! HISS!!
>> HISS!!" at the company, when they have been shipping a metric crap ton of
>> products to their customers.  They missed their shipping deadline, they
>> admitted it.  They even offered to refund customers because of this.  They
>> have honored the refund requests.  Now, they are shipping product, there
>> are two eye witnesses here on the lug with their products in hand, making
>> money from them.  How does this make the company a "SCAM!!!" ?  They are
>> still, to this day, honoring refund requests, even a year after initial
>> payment. This seems OK to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Kansas' approval of BF Labs buisness license is entirely based off their
>>> buisness in Wyoming being legitimate:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=149144214231010201167112190255028042109060235081
>>>
>>> They were delinquent...until 9/17 this year. Two days ago.
>>>
>>> I'll also point out they changed their business location from Casper, WY
>>> to Leawood, KS.
>>>
>>>  https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?3402461
>>>
>>> Germany is turning BFL equipment back at the border for forged CE
>>> certifications.
>>>
>>> Lyn, the company is founded by a known scammer, who is charging peoples
>>> cards and then not shipping products out for MONTHS or sometimes a year
>>> after charging the card, people are filing chargebacks against him and
>>> finding he 'shipped' products that they never got.
>>>
>>> If this was ANY other company, and you charged someones card without a
>>> FIRM and FINAL delivery date, you'd get wrung through the wringer.
>>>
>>> Not to mention his awesome 'Sell your pre-order!' system. You REALLY
>>> think that is legal?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stephen,
>>>> Care to elaborate on your claims? Please don't tell me its from
>>>> Buttcoin, as that site is full of shite and horribly wrong information.
>>>>
>>>>  I spent about 5 minutes googleing your claims... seems false:
>>>> https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e4s8    Search for
>>>> Business Entity number:  4651691  (The search results aren't
>>>> linkable...sorry)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.kssos.org/filed_doc_viewer/view_entity.aspx?id=09262012465169112&submit=View+History+and+Documents
>>>>
>>>>  Those results show that their Wyoming license is active and in good
>>>> standing.  Its also shows their Kansas status is active in good standing.
>>>>
>>>>  I couldnt find anything about the CE marks (other than  the Buttcoin
>>>> article that even has "ALLEGEDLY" in their own title).
>>>>
>>>>  If your going to make such claims, it would be nice to have
>>>> supporting evidence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hope you get your order before Kansas realizes their business license
>>>>> in Wyoming has been revoked, as well as in Missouri.
>>>>>
>>>>> And before the CE really gets pissed about their mark being misused.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Matt Keys <mk6032 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I got my 60gh/s single today. All together now :
>>>>>> http://tinypic.com/r/2e3sx80/5
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/02/2013 01:29 PM, Lynn Dixon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>> My first ASIC order number was 3598
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Have you been keeping an eye on Jody's shipping blog?
>>>>>> https://forums.butterflylabs.com/members/bfl_jody.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  She gives daily shipping updates that shows the order dates that
>>>>>> were shipped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Matt Keys <mk6032 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Awesome, can't wait to get mine! What was your order #?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/01/2013 01:59 PM, Lynn Dixon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  For those interested in Bitcoin on the lug, I have finally
>>>>>>> received my first Butterfly Labs Single.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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