[Chugalug] ButterFly ASIC Single arrived -- My review

William Roush william.roush at roushtech.net
Fri Sep 20 03:25:52 UTC 2013

My new automatic response to all bitcoin threads:


William Roush

On 9/19/2013 4:24 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
> Donald Trump is a scammer....a successful one, no doubt, but he is 
> considered one of the worst people in the world:
> http://rt.com/business/trump-university-fraud-lawsuit-988/
> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/24/trump-university-fraud-ny/2696367/
> For pete's sake, he makes most of his money from the gambling 
> industry, its about the largest LEGAL scam you can run! I'll also 
> point out, he didn't need his success to get him rich, daddy did that 
> for him.
> You can praise BFL all you want, but for SOME reason, there is a lot 
> of talk against them underneath all the praise from people who did get 
> their products in the end.
> I'm not even trying to make this about Bitcoin. I don't care about 
> that. There is enough reason to be suspicious of BFL, sure every 
> startup has their road bumps, but their road is literally filled with 
> potholes that nobody is filling, and if they are they are putting dirt 
> in them and saying its paved.
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com 
> <mailto:boodaddy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     Again,
>     Your links appear to support the fact they have a legitmate
>     business license. As a business owner myself, I have had my tax
>     reporting go delinquent. I am not sure about Kansas, but in TN, I
>     had forgot to file my quarterly returns by ONE DAY...ONE freaking
>     DAY.  Even after I had filed/paid my taxes, I still received a
>     letter from the bureau telling me I was late. So, it appears they
>     had a delinquency, big deal. They resolved the delinquency. No
>     harm, no foul, even the best businesses let things slip sometimes.
>      As long as it gets rectified I have no problem with this.
>     As for the disolution in MS, its possible they may have to just
>     decided to let that license lapse. Why would they need it if they
>     did not do business in that state?  Maybe they had plans to expand
>     to MS, but those plans withered?  Who knows. I do not have a
>     business license for every state in the US, only the ones where I
>     must collect sales tax (I only have a presence in TN, so I only
>     need TN).
>     I still cant find anyting noting Germany refusing BFL shipments.
>     There were some posts on the forums with a very small number of
>     people having issues with them clearing customs, but there are
>     also a number of people in Germany and other parts of the EU that
>     have had no issues receiving them.  Customs is a strange
>     thing...sometimes stuff goes through without a problem, sometimes
>     it doesn't.  I would like to see some links of your resources
>     where you get this information for my own benefit.
>     There are also 2 accounts on the Lug of people (Myself included)
>     receiving their shipments, and not being scammed.  Everyone knew a
>     year ago, that when we bought our rigs, we would not get them for
>     a long time.  It was a pre-order. Yes, I went over a year before
>     receiving my product, but I knew that well before I bought.   In
>     this same light, BFL has been superb with refunding customers whom
>     wanted a refund, even up to almost a year after their purchase.  I
>     have yet to see valid reports of people being "scammed" by BFL.
>      It boils down to this:
>     1. We knew the product would be a long time out, BEFORE we paid
>     2. BFL has been good at refunding customers when they ask. I
>     haven't seen any reports of them refusing refunds (although they
>     are a bit slow at refunds taking a day or 2 to process).
>     3. People are receving their rigs, enmasse.  I received mine, Matt
>     received his, and all the fols I know paitent enough to wait are
>     receiving theirs.  I have yet to hear of anyone not getting their
>     orders or their money back.
>     The "sell your pre-order" system was something that alot of the
>     customers wanted.  It had been requested time and time again on
>     the BFL forums, and they relented and set it up.  It's merely a
>     classifieds system, where BFL has no part in the transaction.
>      They do not partake in any of the sales, or managing of the
>     person-to-person sale of thier pre-order.  If I sell my pre-order
>     for its face value, its perfectly legal to do so.  I see no
>     problems in that.  What makes this illegal?
>     The company is founded by a scammer?  One of the investors did get
>     into trouble for running a gambling website several years back.
>      He served his time, and paid his debt to society.  If he wants to
>     invest in other businesses, I see no problem with this.  Hell, we
>     could argue that Donald Trump is a scammer...look at his success.
>     It's just hard for me to grasp why people scream "SCAMMER!!!
>     HISS!! HISS!!" at the company, when they have been shipping a
>     metric crap ton of products to their customers.  They missed their
>     shipping deadline, they admitted it.  They even offered to refund
>     customers because of this.  They have honored the refund requests.
>      Now, they are shipping product, there are two eye witnesses here
>     on the lug with their products in hand, making money from them.
>      How does this make the company a "SCAM!!!" ?  They are still, to
>     this day, honoring refund requests, even a year after initial
>     payment. This seems OK to me.
>     On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Stephen Kraus
>     <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com <mailto:ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         Kansas' approval of BF Labs buisness license is entirely based
>         off their buisness in Wyoming being legitimate:
>         https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=149144214231010201167112190255028042109060235081
>         They were delinquent...until 9/17 this year. Two days ago.
>         I'll also point out they changed their business location from
>         Casper, WY to Leawood, KS.
>         https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?3402461
>         Germany is turning BFL equipment back at the border for forged
>         CE certifications.
>         Lyn, the company is founded by a known scammer, who is
>         charging peoples cards and then not shipping products out for
>         MONTHS or sometimes a year after charging the card, people are
>         filing chargebacks against him and finding he 'shipped'
>         products that they never got.
>         If this was ANY other company, and you charged someones card
>         without a FIRM and FINAL delivery date, you'd get wrung
>         through the wringer.
>         Not to mention his awesome 'Sell your pre-order!' system. You
>         REALLY think that is legal?
>         On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Lynn Dixon
>         <boodaddy at gmail.com <mailto:boodaddy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>             Stephen,
>             Care to elaborate on your claims? Please don't tell me its
>             from Buttcoin, as that site is full of shite and horribly
>             wrong information.
>             I spent about 5 minutes googleing your claims... seems false:
>             https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e4s8  
>             Search for Business Entity number: 4651691  (The search
>             results aren't linkable...sorry)
>             https://www.kssos.org/filed_doc_viewer/view_entity.aspx?id=09262012465169112&submit=View+History+and+Documents
>             Those results show that their Wyoming license is active
>             and in good standing.  Its also shows their Kansas status
>             is active in good standing.
>             I couldnt find anything about the CE marks (other than
>              the Buttcoin article that even has "ALLEGEDLY" in their
>             own title).
>             If your going to make such claims, it would be nice to
>             have supporting evidence.
>             On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Stephen Kraus
>             <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com <mailto:ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>>
>             wrote:
>                 Hope you get your order before Kansas realizes their
>                 business license in Wyoming has been revoked, as well
>                 as in Missouri.
>                 And before the CE really gets pissed about their mark
>                 being misused.
>                 On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Matt Keys
>                 <mk6032 at yahoo.com <mailto:mk6032 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>                     I got my 60gh/s single today. All together now :
>                     http://tinypic.com/r/2e3sx80/5
>                     Regards,
>                     Matt
>                     On 09/02/2013 01:29 PM, Lynn Dixon wrote:
>>                     Matt,
>>                     My first ASIC order number was 3598
>>                     Have you been keeping an eye on Jody's shipping
>>                     blog?
>>                     https://forums.butterflylabs.com/members/bfl_jody.html
>>                     She gives daily shipping updates that shows the
>>                     order dates that were shipped.
>>                     On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Matt Keys
>>                     <mk6032 at yahoo.com <mailto:mk6032 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>                         Awesome, can't wait to get mine! What was
>>                         your order #?
>>                         On 09/01/2013 01:59 PM, Lynn Dixon wrote:
>>>                         For those interested in Bitcoin on the lug,
>>>                         I have finally received my first Butterfly
>>>                         Labs Single.
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