[Chugalug] Forum vs Listserv

William Roush william.roush at roushtech.net
Mon Sep 16 16:57:34 UTC 2013


On 9/16/2013 12:30 PM, Mike Harrison wrote:
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> If the community decries posting PGP/GPG sigs as antisocial behavior,
> the more socially aware members MIGHT not post them to the list.
> They might, just because they can. I'd like to let the community work 
> that out over time.
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In my opinion it's only really annoying when your sig is larger than 
your content 99% of the time. Though I swear I've seen people attach 
sigs as attachments, which is nice.

William Roush

On 9/16/2013 12:30 PM, Mike Harrison wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013, Mike Robinson wrote:
>> I want to know what's happening around here, but I can't stand a 
>> Listserv much longer.  If it stays, I go.
>
> Been nice knowing you... but I hope you stay.
>
> Chugalug has been active since 1999. It's evolved a little since then,
> and will evolve more over time. "Listserv" suck, "WebForums" suck..
> both have different reasons they are each superior and inferior.
> Those reasons are often different for different people.
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> I'll admit the recent foray into PGP/GPG and signatures has added 
> noise to the list, but it is part of the evolutionary process of both 
> the list and the technologies being used. The biggest factor is the 
> people involved and their behaviors.
>
> Chugalug has existed for 14+ years under my personal benevolence as an 
> experiment in communal anarchy and community as much as it is a "LUG".
> Its flavor dates back to the hobbies (and businesses) of several of 
> the founding members that ran Bulletin Board Systems (BBS's) including 
> myself.
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> If the community decries posting PGP/GPG sigs as antisocial behavior,
> the more socially aware members MIGHT not post them to the list.
> They might, just because they can. I'd like to let the community work 
> that out over time.
>
> My personal gripe of top posters that don't trim is a common one
> for many of my more e-mail list savvy generation. While I don't like
> PGP Signatures that are invasive in the body of the email compared to 
> MIME attachments, I understand the tools being used and their reasons. 
> I'd rather see a post from Dave or Dan with such "noise" than not have 
> them post. I swap back and forth from using PINE and Apple Mail, I 
> usually see -everything- in PINE and only the relevant part in Apple 
> Mail. Maybe your choice or configuration of e-mail interface is part 
> of the issue?
>
> ===Anyway, back on topic:======
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> A web forum.
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> 0.  I won't host any commonly available web forum (Simple Machines 
> Forum, PhpBB, etc.. ) on my personal server. I have in the past and 
> they are so full of exploits and management overhead as to be not 
> something I want to deal with. Anything with session/cookie based auth 
> is a pain. Once upon a time I hacked SMF to use Basic Auth.. worth using.
>
> 1.  If anyone wants to set one up and host it and manage it, I'd 
> happily point some DNS hostname's to it.. join the fray, explore how 
> it worked with the community.
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> 2. My personal experience with Web Forums is the tend to race to the 
> bottom. The listserv format is the only barrier to being a member of 
> Chugalug, and posting/conversing to 250+ people, it's just enough of a 
> technical barrier to be desirable.
>
> 3.  Viva la Revolution! If the community organizes a revolt with 
> enough long term commitment to be credible, I'll graciously concede. 
> I'm a member of some other "LUGS" that die and rebirth every few 
> years, fighting over
> control, format, agenda, mission, checkbook, 501c3 status, meeting 
> locations...
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> ======Just saw the post about: reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/chugalug/
>
> Awesome. Works for me.. We could even setup a cross-posting mechanism....
> a redirect.. All things are possible.
>
> I've also seen Linked In Forums, IRC chats..  All good. Welcome to 
> socially responsible anarchy. This is a "Society of Independant People"
> and you can be an active force in it.
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