[Chugalug] Open Source "personality flaw" (was Digest)

Chad Smith chad78 at gmail.com
Mon Sep 16 14:36:42 UTC 2013

That is a very typical "open source" answer.  I am going to address the
tone and implications of the response - I am not suggesting we move to a

Tell the user all the ways they can "fix the problem" with "a little bit of
work on their end".  So (in the case of software) instead of a trained
coder taking a little bit of time up front to make the software easier to
use for everybody, they expect all the users (hundreds / thousands /
millions of them?) to take time to tweak it, over and over and over again.
 So instead of 5 man-hours to fix the problem once and for all, there's
hundreds/thousands/millions of man-hours used to tweak it every time it is

So, instead of making a forum, which admittedly would take one person a few
hours to set up, you expect dozens (hundreds?) of users to create a
dedicated email address that they would have to specifically check each

And/or instead of the people who insist on using some idiotic "security"
measure on their (publicly searchable in plain text) Chugalug emails taking
the time to fix their own emails to not look like pages and pages of an
energetic cat attacking a keyboard for five minutes before hitting send -
you expect those who don't see the point of "signing" an email that's going
to be published on the web anyway to make special exceptions to how we view
the email?

That's so vain and self-centered.  "I want to sign my emails, and even
though I could do so in an unobnoxious way without hurting my security, you
should just have to deal with it - because NSA!"

First, the NSA could crack your little signature in a fraction of a second.

Secondly - as I've repeatedly stated already - CHUGALUG EMAILS ARE POSTED

Now, as to the suggestion we move to a forum - I wouldn't have a problem
with that, in theory.

But I think we would lose a lot of our current members just because they
wouldn't make the transition (they didn't see that they needed to, they
kept meaning to sign up, but just keep putting it off, or they don't care
enough to sign up a second time, some might not like a forum, etc.).


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<My iTunes started playing somehow as I typed that - and I don't even use
iTunes that much, so it wasn't opened.>

*- Chad W. Smith*

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Jason Brown <lists at masterforge.com> wrote:

>  For me the phrase "like everyone else does" is a hot button. It's a
> personality flaw, but it immediately puts me on the defensive.
> The other one is "But Google does it".   To which I respond, "Fine, give
> me an army of developers and pay us like Google does".
> But, to answer your question. There are options on the mailing list
> website to tweak your delivery. It sounds like choosing the daily digest
> option might work well for you instead of getting each individual message.
> Personally, I am signed up with a special account, it all filters into
> it's own special place, and I read / lurk at my leisure, usually a couple
> of times a week.
> Jason Brown
> On 09/16/2013 08:07 AM, Mike Robinson wrote:
> Can't they be attachments instead of inline?  As it is, we get one line of
> message and 30 lines of key.  Maybe not too bad on a PC screen, but an
> absolute PITA on a phone.  Add message quoting that quotes the other guy's
> key too and it becomes rediculous.
>  Can't we have a ==forum== here, like everyone else does, instead of a
> mailing list .. esp. one that is now full of encrypted messages?
>   I want to keep in touch with what's going on in Chatt but this is
> becoming a more-and-more unworkable way to do so.  What else can we do
> instead?
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