[Chugalug] Apple announces the new iPhone...its gold.

Chad Smith chad78 at gmail.com
Thu Sep 12 00:29:06 UTC 2013


Oh, and I did say "most widely used" not "best selling" - because of where
I got my information.

*- Chad W. Smith*


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well I may have been misinformed on that one.  The last chart I had seen
> was based on mobile web browser usage - not sales (since that is an
> indicator of how many phones are actually currently being used - not just
> sold at this moment) - and it had iOS browsers at around 34% of global
> mobile traffic, and Android at closer to 30% - it wasn't a huge margin, but
> it was still higher.  And - even if Android is outselling iOS *now* you are
> still comparing one company's products (Apple's) to dozens of other
> company's products (Motorola, Samsung, Sony, HTC, etc.).  That doesn't
> negate that Android may currently have a larger market share - but the fact
> that it's even a race says there is a market for it.
>
> Let me put it this way - if Ford was selling 50% as many cars as - EVERY
> OTHER CAR MAKER IN THE WORLD COMBINED - then they'd be doing pretty damn
> good.  (If you want to include Windows Phone, BlackBerry, and Symbian, etc.
> in the analogy - then say "as every other *non-racecar* car maker in the
> world" or "Non-electric" or some other exclusion to remove 10% or less of
> all cars on the market.)
>
> *- Chad W. Smith*
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is an interesting tid bit that Tim Cook didn't mention:
>>
>> http://qz.com/122921/the-chart-tim-cook-doesnt-want-you-to-see/
>>
>> It appears the chart they shown in the presentations could be
>> mis-interpreted.
>>
>> Chad, to counter your argument that "iOS is the most widely used mobile
>> operatng system" and "iPhone outselss all Android phones combined" is just
>> simply wrong.   Android has a much larger market share than iOS in the
>> United States now, and has held the lead world wide for a while now.  There
>> are many sources out there to confirm this, but here is one:
>> http://techland.time.com/2013/04/16/ios-vs-android/
>>
>> And another:
>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/28/android-picks-up-the-pace-in-smartphone-sales-over-ios-globally-while-windows-phone-continues-with-modest-gains-says-kantar/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> So to chime in here after reading the tech specs:
>>>
>>> Why is there a M7 co-processor?  To offload motion and positional
>>> functions from the main A7 CPU to conserve power.  The M7 supposedly uses
>>> 1/10 (no real facts to back that up yet) the power of the A7.
>>>
>>> 64-bit memory space update is also related to graphics functions as
>>> higher I/O rates boost performance.
>>>
>>> I would use the sh!t out of the finger print scanner to keep from typing
>>> my 16-digit Apple ID password or as a 2-factor for a password store on my
>>> phone.
>>>
>>> The additional camera features are a big deal to me as I Facetime my
>>> girls from all over the country and the light sensor would help them be
>>> able to see me wherever I am.
>>>
>>> Lastly, the LTE enhancements are LONG overdue.  I get better data rates
>>> out of 4G using my AT&T iPhone 5.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents, digest as you see fit.
>>>
>>> -AW
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chad,
>>>>> I am going to disagree.  The fingerprint scanner has been on mobile
>>>>> phones for a while now, so its nothing new.  The Motorola Atrix had one
>>>>> that worked pretty good.  To me, they are kinda useless, and seems gimmicky.
>>>>>
>>>>> 64 bit is "meh" for me right now.  it will be a few years before
>>>>> developers take hold of it, and by then something better will be out
>>>>> anyways.  This won't pull me away from Android.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Epic Games said it took them less than 2 hours to change their 32 bit
>>>> game to a 64 bit one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  Why does the compass, gyroscope and acceleromoter need a separate
>>>>> deidcated processor?  My 2 year old Nexus handles all of them great right
>>>>> now, without a dedicated processor.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why do graphics need their own dedicated processor?
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, I can't believe this is even a question.  If you have a
>>>> dedicated processor handling that stuff, then your main CPU can deal with
>>>> what it has to deal with.  If you can't appreciate that, just think of it
>>>> as adding another core.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As for your "faster CPU" and "desktop level apps" comment, I honestly
>>>>>  don't use my phone as my desktop.  Until someone does true device
>>>>> convergance well, I will never use my phone as my desktop, regardless  of
>>>>> how much horsepower it has.  I need at least dual screen, high resolution
>>>>> support, with full keyboard and mouse connectivity.  It also needs to do
>>>>> USB devices (Think storage) well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh well, I guess since *you* don't use your phone like a computer, then
>>>> the whole concept should be scrapped, because obviously if you aren't using
>>>> it that way then no one else is, no should they, no could they ever.
>>>>
>>>> I don't use Instagram, so it shouldn't exist.  I don't use Debian, or
>>>> VIM, so those shouldn't exist either.
>>>>
>>>> There are people who use their phones as remote workstations, creating
>>>> and controlling content from the palm their hand.  I don't have an iPhone -
>>>> or even a smartphone, but I do have an Android tablet (several, actually,
>>>> but I only really use one) and an iPod Touch.  I've used both to do some
>>>> pretty work-related type computery stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of whether you personally use your phone to do anything
>>>> other than make phone calls - there are millions of people who use them for
>>>> things that need processing power.  And, scoff if you will, playing games
>>>> is one of them.  Mobile gaming a billion dollar industry - and has been for
>>>> at least 5 years.
>>>> http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20684
>>>>
>>>> Games drive growth in computing power - they did for the desktop (and
>>>> still do, so I'm lead to believe) and they are for phones.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was really hoping the Ubuntu Phone would have become a reality.
>>>>>  That is true innovation.  To me, this new iPhone is indeed a speedbump of
>>>>> improvement.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  The Ubuntu Edge was a pretty cool system - but it was basically a
>>>> speed bump of a Nokia N900 (which I had for years).  The N900 could run
>>>> full fledged desktop Linux apps.  (My current Android tablet has OpenOffice
>>>> on it.
>>>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice&hl=en)  And could basically become a desktop computer with a really tiny screen.
>>>>  If they had HDMI out, then bam, desktop in my pocket.
>>>>
>>>> The Atrix, that was already mentioned, pretty much did the same thing.
>>>>  In fact, any Android phone with video out and BlueTooth and/or USB OTG
>>>> could be used that way.  The Ubuntu Edge was just a speed bump.
>>>>
>>>> You can trivialize anything - "My Commodre 64 played games - the PS4 is
>>>> just a speed bump." "The ENIAC could perform math, the Tianhe-2 is
>>>> just a speed bump."
>>>>
>>>> There was far more to the iPhone 5s than an improved processor.  Just
>>>> because you don't like, aren't impressed by, or wouldn't use those features
>>>> does not mean they do not exist.
>>>>
>>>> But, as I said, I won't be getting one.  I am in the market for a
>>>> smartphone, but I don't want a contract, and I want things the iPhone
>>>> doesn't offer (like the aforementioned HDMI out, USB OTG, and expandable
>>>> storage).  But that doesn't mean it's a useless piece of junk.  Like it or
>>>> not, iOS is the most widely used mobile operating system.  That means the
>>>> iPhone outsells all Android phones combined.  There is a market for what
>>>> they are offering.
>>>>
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>>>
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