[Chugalug] Silk Road and Bitcoins

Stephen Kraus ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 7 15:38:03 UTC 2013

No, you are still making false equivalencies. Comparing a flawed legal
system to a completely RIGGED legal system with kangaroo courts like was on
the Eastern half of the Iron Curtain complete with torture, summary
executions, and 'state' witnesses that were basically told what to say by

You lift on the Western side of the Iron Curtain, you still have very
little idea what it was like to live on the Eastern side. I actually know
people who lived on the Eastern side, trust me they'd like a word with you
if you think that you can compare anything in the US to the Stasi.

Do we have a lot of broken legal systems in the US? Yes. Are the comparable
to the Stasi? HELL NO.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Dan Lyke <danlyke at flutterby.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 21:10:58 -0400
> William Roush <william.roush at roushtech.net> wrote:
> > No, I meant that we're having a public discussion that includes a
> > lot of ranting about the government and not having our doors kicked in
> > over it.
> I was born in Germany, my family was there because my father served in
> the U.S. Army doing military intelligence work. When  he left the army,
> for a while he worked for assorted three-letter agencies, or military
> contractors/intelligence shell companies.
> While I was growing up, my parents had a lot of friends who'd escaped
> from behind the Iron Curtain. I grew up with stories of crawling under
> concertina wire, or loading up the trunk with hopefully impermeable
> things and driving fast through the checkpoints, hunkered down below
> the windows while the glass exploded from the machine gun fire.
> I have no idea if these two things are connected. I suspect at some
> level that they were. At any rate, I grew up with a good dose of
> stories from the Iron Curtain.
> The security state is a continuum. It's not police on every corner,
> it's the notion that you don't know if there are police on every
> corner. You don't know who will twist something you say to get you
> taken in front of a secret court. It's random enforcement, random
> surveillance, which leads to a self-censorship and a generic fear.
> Fear, not of doing anything wrong, but of making enemies of the wrong
> people.
> My sister just got permission from her parole officer to come visit me
> for the weekend. I dropped her back at the airport shuttle this morning
> at five for the flight home. The process by which she pled guilty in
> order to minimize collateral damage against her husband and various
> other friends, in which prosecutors and police officers flat-out lied,
> and have a paper trail of lying, but there's no authority to bring these
> complaints to, makes Kafka look like an optimist.
> There are things that the family now does not discuss over electronic
> communications, that we only talk about in person, and that's even with
> me making it very clear that I do not want to know any details which
> aren't public knowledge. But the case clearly consisted of metadata,
> tapped electronics, fabricated telephone calls, and parallel
> reconstruction. I don't know how high it went (he was charged as a
> "Major Drug Offender", pled that way down, so recent revelations about
> the DEA parallel reconstruction programs could mean the NSA snooping
> was involved, but he was gone after by local authorities, so it's
> unlikely it went that high).
> Do we live in a hundred percent Stasi state? No. But it ain't zero,
> either, and now we're quibbling where along the line we are. As the old
> joke goes "we've established that, now we're just haggling over the
> price".
> Dan
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