[Chugalug] Raspberry Pi on track to sell more units than Apple II computers

James Nylen jnylen at gmail.com
Thu Nov 7 04:15:53 UTC 2013


Lynn, I got my BFL Single a few days ago.  Unfortunately I don't think it's
going to end up making me a profit.


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com> wrote:

> you know what this thread needs?  more bitcoin!!!
>
> One bitcoin is selling for $279 right now.
> On Nov 6, 2013 10:58 PM, "Stephen Kraus" <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sure they'd be more interested in how we ended slavery over
>> our computing trends
>> On Nov 6, 2013 10:56 PM, "James Nylen" <jnylen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Chad, I must say, I've appreciated your calm and measured responses on
>>> this topic.
>>>
>>> However, any attempt I've made to do real work on a mobile device or a
>>> tablet has been infuriating (for example:  creating and editing documents
>>> and spreadsheets, SSH, editing images).  I think the desktop is still king
>>> when it comes to content creation and data manipulation - if you need to
>>> use a computer productively, there is no substitute for a real keyboard and
>>> mouse with multiple stationary screens.
>>>
>>> The fact that the desktop is dying in spite of its usefulness says a
>>> lot.  I am ashamed to think what the founding fathers would have to say
>>> about such societal trends.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> True. I'll give you that...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PC is and always has been, a stupid vague term.
>>>>>
>>>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then just call it the death of the desktop. I think 'The Death of the
>>>>>> PC' is too general and bloated a term.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Rod <rod-lists at epbfi.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry PC is a personal computer vs say the old main frames and
>>>>>>> time shares.
>>>>>>> Modern servers are meant to be be used by lots of folks at once.
>>>>>>> Hence not "personal".  True people like you and me have personal
>>>>>>> servers. But that isn't the norm.
>>>>>>> Mobiles and tablet whether I like it or not are the the new "PC's"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 20:17:55 -0500, Stephen Kraus <
>>>>>>> ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Technically? Yes. A Server is just an overpowered PC. How is that
>>>>>>> NOT a PC? Beyond the fact that you are arguing that its purpose isn't a
>>>>>>> 'personal' purpose. Yet I can take a Server out of service, throw
>>>>>>> practically any flavor OS on it, and it'll work. Hell, I had a server I
>>>>>>> used for PC gaming for a long time, was one of the BEST gaming PCs I ever
>>>>>>> had.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So a super-computer array of servers is a PC - if they are using
>>>>>>>> x86-64 CPUs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so, then the PC is not going to die any time soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that is *your* definition of a PC, and a fine one at that.
>>>>>>>>  But it isn't the same definition everyone is using when they talk about
>>>>>>>> the "Death of the PC".  Usually (and everyone is different, so this is not
>>>>>>>> universally the case) they are talking about a Desktop or a Laptop -
>>>>>>>> regardless of CPU, so an Apple ][ would count, and so would an iBook, and
>>>>>>>> so would an ARM netbook running some form of Linux.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The distinction is being drawn between a PC and a Tablet.  So - to
>>>>>>>> me, that indicates they are referring mainly to the form factor, not the
>>>>>>>> CPU.  The other distinction - and one you seem to be referring to when you
>>>>>>>> mention the CPU - is the OS.  Windows/OS X/Desktop Linux vs.
>>>>>>>> iOS/Android/etc..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem is - Android can run on x86-64, what about Chrome?  or
>>>>>>>> an XP phone?  And where does Windows 8 RM fit?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know you've answered some of those questions for your own
>>>>>>>> understanding of it, and reasoning for it.  But I think your definition
>>>>>>>> being different from the people making those claims is one of the main
>>>>>>>> reasons you think it's a silly thought, and they don't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you defined PC the same way they are using it, then it might not
>>>>>>>> be so unreasonable to think of the PC as dying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And, as we've discussed before - a format being "Dead" doesn't mean
>>>>>>>> it's no longer used by anyone anywhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Betamax is dead - and so is VHS for that matter - but people still
>>>>>>>> use both.  8-Tracks, LPs, cassettes, floppy discs... SCSI drives....
>>>>>>>> Windows 95....  All "Dead" - but not completely removed from existence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (The office where I used to work had a Windows 95 machine running
>>>>>>>> up until 2010.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen Kraus <
>>>>>>>> ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> X86 or x86-64 is PC. Therefore Surface Pro is a PC. Android Tablet
>>>>>>>>> or iPad? Not PC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PC must be IBM compatible.
>>>>>>>>>
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