[Chugalug] Raspberry Pi on track to sell more units than Apple II computers

James Nylen jnylen at gmail.com
Thu Nov 7 04:06:53 UTC 2013


Yes, I think they'd be very interested in measuring how successful we were
at that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_to_prison_pipeline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining



On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm pretty sure they'd be more interested in how we ended slavery over our
> computing trends
> On Nov 6, 2013 10:56 PM, "James Nylen" <jnylen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Chad, I must say, I've appreciated your calm and measured responses on
>> this topic.
>>
>> However, any attempt I've made to do real work on a mobile device or a
>> tablet has been infuriating (for example:  creating and editing documents
>> and spreadsheets, SSH, editing images).  I think the desktop is still king
>> when it comes to content creation and data manipulation - if you need to
>> use a computer productively, there is no substitute for a real keyboard and
>> mouse with multiple stationary screens.
>>
>> The fact that the desktop is dying in spite of its usefulness says a lot.
>>  I am ashamed to think what the founding fathers would have to say about
>> such societal trends.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> True. I'll give you that...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> PC is and always has been, a stupid vague term.
>>>>
>>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Then just call it the death of the desktop. I think 'The Death of the
>>>>> PC' is too general and bloated a term.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Rod <rod-lists at epbfi.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry PC is a personal computer vs say the old main frames and
>>>>>> time shares.
>>>>>> Modern servers are meant to be be used by lots of folks at once.
>>>>>> Hence not "personal".  True people like you and me have personal
>>>>>> servers. But that isn't the norm.
>>>>>> Mobiles and tablet whether I like it or not are the the new "PC's"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 20:17:55 -0500, Stephen Kraus <
>>>>>> ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Technically? Yes. A Server is just an overpowered PC. How is that NOT
>>>>>> a PC? Beyond the fact that you are arguing that its purpose isn't a
>>>>>> 'personal' purpose. Yet I can take a Server out of service, throw
>>>>>> practically any flavor OS on it, and it'll work. Hell, I had a server I
>>>>>> used for PC gaming for a long time, was one of the BEST gaming PCs I ever
>>>>>> had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So a super-computer array of servers is a PC - if they are using
>>>>>>> x86-64 CPUs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, then the PC is not going to die any time soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that is *your* definition of a PC, and a fine one at that.
>>>>>>>  But it isn't the same definition everyone is using when they talk about
>>>>>>> the "Death of the PC".  Usually (and everyone is different, so this is not
>>>>>>> universally the case) they are talking about a Desktop or a Laptop -
>>>>>>> regardless of CPU, so an Apple ][ would count, and so would an iBook, and
>>>>>>> so would an ARM netbook running some form of Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The distinction is being drawn between a PC and a Tablet.  So - to
>>>>>>> me, that indicates they are referring mainly to the form factor, not the
>>>>>>> CPU.  The other distinction - and one you seem to be referring to when you
>>>>>>> mention the CPU - is the OS.  Windows/OS X/Desktop Linux vs.
>>>>>>> iOS/Android/etc..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem is - Android can run on x86-64, what about Chrome?  or
>>>>>>> an XP phone?  And where does Windows 8 RM fit?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know you've answered some of those questions for your own
>>>>>>> understanding of it, and reasoning for it.  But I think your definition
>>>>>>> being different from the people making those claims is one of the main
>>>>>>> reasons you think it's a silly thought, and they don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you defined PC the same way they are using it, then it might not
>>>>>>> be so unreasonable to think of the PC as dying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, as we've discussed before - a format being "Dead" doesn't mean
>>>>>>> it's no longer used by anyone anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Betamax is dead - and so is VHS for that matter - but people still
>>>>>>> use both.  8-Tracks, LPs, cassettes, floppy discs... SCSI drives....
>>>>>>> Windows 95....  All "Dead" - but not completely removed from existence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (The office where I used to work had a Windows 95 machine running up
>>>>>>> until 2010.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen Kraus <
>>>>>>> ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> X86 or x86-64 is PC. Therefore Surface Pro is a PC. Android Tablet
>>>>>>>> or iPad? Not PC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PC must be IBM compatible.
>>>>>>>>
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