[Chugalug] Raspberry Pi on track to sell more units than Apple II computers

Stephen Kraus ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com
Thu Nov 7 03:58:25 UTC 2013


I'm pretty sure they'd be more interested in how we ended slavery over our
computing trends
On Nov 6, 2013 10:56 PM, "James Nylen" <jnylen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chad, I must say, I've appreciated your calm and measured responses on
> this topic.
>
> However, any attempt I've made to do real work on a mobile device or a
> tablet has been infuriating (for example:  creating and editing documents
> and spreadsheets, SSH, editing images).  I think the desktop is still king
> when it comes to content creation and data manipulation - if you need to
> use a computer productively, there is no substitute for a real keyboard and
> mouse with multiple stationary screens.
>
> The fact that the desktop is dying in spite of its usefulness says a lot.
>  I am ashamed to think what the founding fathers would have to say about
> such societal trends.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> True. I'll give you that...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> PC is and always has been, a stupid vague term.
>>>
>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Then just call it the death of the desktop. I think 'The Death of the
>>>> PC' is too general and bloated a term.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Rod <rod-lists at epbfi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry PC is a personal computer vs say the old main frames and
>>>>> time shares.
>>>>> Modern servers are meant to be be used by lots of folks at once.
>>>>> Hence not "personal".  True people like you and me have personal
>>>>> servers. But that isn't the norm.
>>>>> Mobiles and tablet whether I like it or not are the the new "PC's"
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 20:17:55 -0500, Stephen Kraus <
>>>>> ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Technically? Yes. A Server is just an overpowered PC. How is that NOT
>>>>> a PC? Beyond the fact that you are arguing that its purpose isn't a
>>>>> 'personal' purpose. Yet I can take a Server out of service, throw
>>>>> practically any flavor OS on it, and it'll work. Hell, I had a server I
>>>>> used for PC gaming for a long time, was one of the BEST gaming PCs I ever
>>>>> had.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So a super-computer array of servers is a PC - if they are using
>>>>>> x86-64 CPUs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, then the PC is not going to die any time soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that is *your* definition of a PC, and a fine one at that.
>>>>>>  But it isn't the same definition everyone is using when they talk about
>>>>>> the "Death of the PC".  Usually (and everyone is different, so this is not
>>>>>> universally the case) they are talking about a Desktop or a Laptop -
>>>>>> regardless of CPU, so an Apple ][ would count, and so would an iBook, and
>>>>>> so would an ARM netbook running some form of Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The distinction is being drawn between a PC and a Tablet.  So - to
>>>>>> me, that indicates they are referring mainly to the form factor, not the
>>>>>> CPU.  The other distinction - and one you seem to be referring to when you
>>>>>> mention the CPU - is the OS.  Windows/OS X/Desktop Linux vs.
>>>>>> iOS/Android/etc..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is - Android can run on x86-64, what about Chrome?  or an
>>>>>> XP phone?  And where does Windows 8 RM fit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you've answered some of those questions for your own
>>>>>> understanding of it, and reasoning for it.  But I think your definition
>>>>>> being different from the people making those claims is one of the main
>>>>>> reasons you think it's a silly thought, and they don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you defined PC the same way they are using it, then it might not
>>>>>> be so unreasonable to think of the PC as dying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, as we've discussed before - a format being "Dead" doesn't mean
>>>>>> it's no longer used by anyone anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Betamax is dead - and so is VHS for that matter - but people still
>>>>>> use both.  8-Tracks, LPs, cassettes, floppy discs... SCSI drives....
>>>>>> Windows 95....  All "Dead" - but not completely removed from existence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (The office where I used to work had a Windows 95 machine running up
>>>>>> until 2010.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> X86 or x86-64 is PC. Therefore Surface Pro is a PC. Android Tablet
>>>>>>> or iPad? Not PC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PC must be IBM compatible.
>>>>>>>
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