[Chugalug] Raspberry Pi on track to sell more units than Apple II computers

Stephen Kraus ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com
Wed Nov 6 23:33:53 UTC 2013


Also: AAA Console Quality?

You know what PC gaming is what it is right? Because we have better
graphics than consoles.


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Chad,
>
> The only problem with your argument with 'Hooray for the cloud' is the
> fact that lets say Onlive shuts-down? What happens to all your purchases?
> You lose them.
>
> Whereas at least with Steam, my games are retained locally on my hard
> drive, I can play them offline without issue (and its a HUGE issue for
> someone that deploys overseas like me). I'm sorry, the whole cloud argument
> when it comes to games and game ownership pisses me off, because its just a
> repeat of EA and their shitty online DRM system, which basically holds your
> game hostage to an internet connect.
>
> The whole reason the PC Gaming community was so PISSED at EA, pissed
> enough to give them the Golden Poo award twice, was the fact that Origin
> basically screwed you if you didn't have a dedicated nearby broadband
> connection.
>
> Praise the cloud all you want, but all you are saying is: "I'm okay with
> not actually owning the things I purchase, and have the right to lose my
> access to them whenever the company loses the financial interest in
> offering the service to me."
>
> CUDA is GPU based processing, I use it both at home and in school for
> Physics calculations, CAD simulations, and otherwise. Trust me, the CAD
> software you get on Android or iOS are a joke compared to actual full CAD
> systems that allow me to conduct simulation of thermal, mechanical, and
> electrical stressors and others calculations that your tablet is just not
> going to be able to handle very well.
>
> The other thing is: You are basically screwing the more indie developers,
> Steam encourages much more wider development than Apple allows or even
> Android on occasion.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's the point, though, on my tablet, I can play AAA console quality
>> video game titles, like the Arkham series, Assassin's Creed, Splinter Cell,
>> Metro, Homefront, LA Noire, Darksiders, etc. --  Not mobile versions, but
>> the PC version - through OnLive.  Steam, Sony, EA, whoever - could offer
>> something like that if they wanted to.
>>
>> CAD software exists for iOS and Android.
>>
>> I have no idea what CUDA is - and I'm at least semi-Geeky - so I doubt
>> the majority of PC users care about it.
>>
>> I can use Microsoft Office on my tablet - not just office-like apps - but
>> full-fledged Microsoft Office, through CloudOn, and OnLive.
>>
>> These games, these apps, etc. - they exist on a server somewhere, not on
>> a PC, and I can use them through my tablet.  Not in theory - but I can do
>> that right now, today.
>>
>> Once stuff like that catches on...  There won't be anything to keep the
>> PC alive for the mainstream consumer.
>>
>> I can plug in my tablet to my HDTV, and use a Bluetooth keyboard and
>> mouse, or game controller remote, and have a "traditional" user experience.
>>
>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Michael Scholten <dmscholten at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Would if I could, but I can't so I shant... :p
>>>
>>> Ya, anywho... I think I shall go back to lerking in my corner....
>>>
>>> -Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Tim Youngblood <timyoungblood at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually you could say it is just steam, and not truly Steam. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Its not steam. Just a chat client and store front.
>>>>> On Nov 6, 2013 12:26 PM, "Chad Smith" <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://store.steampowered.com/mobile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.valvesoftware.android.steam.community
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=CAD&c=apps
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Stephen Kraus <
>>>>>> ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whe I can install standard Windows apps like Steam, CAD, or my
>>>>>>> Mathematics apps that utilize CUDA on a tablet, the PC will disappear.
>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2013 12:11 PM, "Chad Smith" <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have family members that got tablets in the last year or so and
>>>>>>>> almost never touch their laptops anymore.  Between their tablet and their
>>>>>>>> smartphone, they have no need for the PC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For people who are only into casual use of their computers - media
>>>>>>>> consumption, casual games, social networking, etc. - the PC is already dead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The reason tablets and smartphones are able to be so useful is
>>>>>>>> because of the cloud.  For a lot of the apps - the bulk of the work is done
>>>>>>>> somewhere else - the media is stored online and streamed to the device
>>>>>>>> (Pandora, YouTube, Netflix) for example.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the next big thing for mobile devices will be more a VNC
>>>>>>>> type model - something like OnLive ( onlive.com ) or CloudOn (
>>>>>>>> cloudon.com )...  Yes, OnLive failed at first, and may not ever
>>>>>>>> really recover - but that wasn't because the model was bad, it was because
>>>>>>>> of mismanagement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the idea of having your mobile device basically serve as a thin
>>>>>>>> client to a much more powerful computer - I think that's going to be one of
>>>>>>>> the things that makes the traditional PC obsolete.  If I can carry a $50
>>>>>>>> device in my pocket, and pay... idk... $50 a year? ... to have access to a
>>>>>>>> portion of a supercomputer... and the interface works with my hardware....
>>>>>>>>  Why wouldn't I do that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, there are security issues - but for the vast majority of
>>>>>>>> users... If the broadband is there, why not use it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Dave Brockman <dave at brockmans.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/2013 10:52 AM, Tim Youngblood wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > Is the PC dead? It is on life support.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2013/11/5/mobile-is-eating-the-world-autumn-2013-edition
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> know anyone buying phones or tablets to replace computers?  In
>>>>>>>>> my experience, all we are seeing are these things: New shiny
>>>>>>>>> gadgets
>>>>>>>>> are selling.  Powerful enough PCs of a 4-5 year old vintage aren't
>>>>>>>>> being replaced as quickly as in prior years, no new OS to drive
>>>>>>>>> bigger
>>>>>>>>> and better hardware specs.  Anyone have differing experience?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> dtb
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