[Chugalug] cloud

Eric Wolf ebwolf at gmail.com
Mon Jan 14 17:39:40 UTC 2013


Gary,

I don't think it's about warrantless access to the data - it's about having
the entire storage system you depend on being taken down by a clueless
sheriff.

Backing up across Amazon's regions helps in that situation. But then Amazon
does a decent job of taking down it's own systems regularly.

-Eric

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM, gary hasty <ghasty at hastypudding.com> wrote:

> We always encourage folks in that instance to encrypt on their end and
> they maintain the keys. That way the data is useless without the warrant to
> you for the keys.
>
>
> On Monday, January 14, 2013, Stephen Haywood wrote:
>
>> Another thing to think about, typically "cloud" data can be accessed with
>> a subpeona. If the servers are still in your possession, a warrant would be
>> necessary. May not make much difference but it could be an issue. Along
>> those same lines, if your "cloudy" provider also provides "cloudy" services
>> to shady folks, you could lose your data and servers when the FBI comes in
>> to shut down the shady folks.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Ed King <chevyiinova at bellsouth.net>wrote:
>>
>>> I brought that up...   how we would still have to have someone on-site to
>>> maintain workstations, printers, network, and of course our field
>>> tablets, but
>>> it falls on deaf ears.  All he heard from them was "it will be about
>>> $400/month".
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric mentioned the freedom/control pendulum...   all I can say is that
>>> we've had
>>> awesome uptime/availability from all the servers I maintain around here,
>>> if/when there's a problem, I'm "on it" like stink on shit.  Let's see
>>> what kind
>>> of support $400/month buys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Dan Lyke <danlyke at flutterby.com>
>>> To: chugalug at chugalug.org
>>> Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 10:27:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Chugalug] cloud
>>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:07:03 -0800 (PST)
>>> Ed King <chevyiinova at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> > services?   I've done my own Google'ing and didn't like what I saw,
>>> > yet, the powers that be want to continue down the "cloudy" path
>>> > because "noone around here will work for $400/month".
>>>
>>> Because they're going to outsource the desktop machines, too?
>>>
>>> You have my sympathies...
>>>
>>> Dan
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>>
>> --
>> Stephen Haywood
>> Information Security Consultant
>> CISSP, GSEC, OSCP
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