[Chugalug] More on Bitcoin:

Stephen Kraus ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com
Fri Aug 23 15:19:00 UTC 2013


As far as the Citizens United ruling, it HAS gone too far, I fully agree.

And yes, truth in advertising is a huge issue, agreed.


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Rod-Lists <rod-lists at epbfi.com> wrote:

> But his point is that it has gone too far.
> I would add attempts to ban truth in advertising laws because it violates
> a corps 1st amendment rights shows how out bounds this fiction has gone.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> > I'm well aware of the LEGAL FICTION use.
> >
> > But the way Chad is trying to use it is rather outside its scope, and
> > is simply used in legal terms as Corporate Personhood.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_fiction#Corporate_personhood
> >
> > However, to go further than that and declare that its all fictional,
> > that is a bit much.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Rod-Lists < rod-lists at epbfi.com >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Let me defend Chad.
> > I think he is referring to fact that corporations are often referred
> > to as "legal fictions".
> > BTW You both might find this book interesting as it deals with
> > corporate personhood issue.
> >
> http://www.amazon.com/Unequal-Protection-Corporate-Dominance-Rights/dp/1579549551
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually Chad that first example is wrong, mainly because if you
> > > sold
> > > that car, and it was a car you built from junk (trust me I know
> > > this
> > > one), unless you RIGGED the car to explode, it would be ruled an
> > > accident. Buyer Beware remember?
> > >
> > > Chad, you have this weird definition of 'personal responsibility',
> > > but corporations, as much as you declare them to be fictional, are
> > > real things. They are a conglomerate of people qorking for a common
> > > interest or party.
> > >
> > > But, be that as it may, I agree that corporations need to be better
> > > held to laws and accountable for their crimes (at least the people
> > > who were involed in the said crime)
> > >
> > > But in the end Chad, declarinf corporations 'fictional' because it
> > > doesn't fit your ideal....thats pushing reality there.
> > >
> > > Also, its a a massive abuse of the word 'fictional'
> > > On Aug 23, 2013 12:14 AM, "Chad Smith" < chad78 at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If I go into my gargage (assuming I had one) and build a car, from
> > > parts I get from a junk yard, or order online - whatever. If i
> > > build
> > > that car, and sell it to someone - and that car blows up and kills
> > > that person ... I'm going to go to jail.
> > >
> > >
> > > If I buy a plot of land, start digging for oil, find it -but end up
> > > spewing giga-gallons into the neighboring wetlands .... I'm
> > > probably
> > > going to go to jail - or at least being hit with a fine so big I'll
> > > never see another dime of income for as long as I live.
> > >
> > >
> > > BUT - if I do those things under the protection of acting on behalf
> > > of a "Corporation" - worst that can happen is I lose my job, and if
> > > I own any stock, that stock becomes worthless. Probably, though, if
> > > I'm high enough on the corporate ladder to actually be responsible
> > > for those things, nothing bad will happen to me at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > That's the type of personal responsibility I'm talking about.
> > > Nothing
> > > to do with any french royalty.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Chad W. Smith
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Dave Brockman < dave at brockmans.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > On 8/22/2013 5:48 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
> > > > 1. I don't frequent Reddit, nice try. 2. Edison, the man who paid
> > > > kids to capture neighborhood pets to electrocute with AC to prove
> > > > how terrible Tesla's electrical system was, cheated Tesla out of
> > > > $10,000 for fixing his issues with DC, got most of his
> > > > 'innovative'
> > > > ideas from a staff of inventors he paid (poorly) and then
> > > > patented
> > > > their ideas under his own name for his company.
> > >
> > > Edison was a douche, on so many levels... It's a shame (and you
> > > guys
> > > DID all ready 1984, right?) just a tad bit scary how our history
> > > has
> > > already been rewritten.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > dtb
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