[Chugalug] More on Bitcoin:

Stephen Kraus ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com
Thu Aug 22 15:27:50 UTC 2013

All you are doing by proposing replacing a regulated form of currency with
a limited by design crypto currency is introducing the same problems we
ditched by leaving gold backed currency.

It is deeply ironic that bitcoiners decry regulation without fully
understanding that is exactly what large, monopolistic buisnesses want, or
a magical free market thatwe technically had in the early 1900s and only
led to massive worker and market abuses.

It is with even deeper irony that you decry government manipulation of
markets, when the exact opposite led to massive and disastrous market

It is with the deepest irony that you decry manipulation of markets without
realizing that studying and learning to manipulate markets is the ENTIRE
point of economics.

Like I said, when pigs fly.
 On Aug 22, 2013 11:12 AM, "Matt Keys" <mk6032 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://www.cnbc.com/id/100923551
> On 08/22/2013 10:57 AM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
> If it happens, I'll be waiting for the flying pigs.
> On Aug 22, 2013 10:00 AM, "Matt Keys" <mk6032 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Bitcoin is already an accepted form of payment. Some employers like the
>> Internet Archive already give that option to their employees. In other
>> words I see bitcoin as a stabilizing factor in a crisis like that. In order
>> to keep food, water, shelter, etc. you'd need to pay those employees that
>> keep those utilities going... so you're gonna pay them in sandwiches,
>> water, and bullets -- or bitcoin? How would you collect payments if you're
>> an employer?
>> What happened in Cyprus is a fact. Another fact that took place around 80
>> years ago... "executive order 6102". Governments historically try to seize
>> or ban when they're loosing control or wanting control of something --
>> land, water, shelter, guns/ammo... even money.
>> On 08/22/2013 08:59 AM, Stephen Haywood wrote:
>>> If the Euro, or Dollar go belly up, the most usable currency for a few
>>> weeks or months will be water, food, shelter, and protection, not bitcoins.
>>> Now, after things stabilize, bitcoins might rise up to be the new
>>> Euro/Dollar but it is very unlikely.
>>> --
>>> Stephen Haywood
>>> Owner, ASG Consulting
>>> 423.305.3700
>>> stephen at averagesecurityguy.info
>>> On Aug 22, 2013, at 6:05 AM, Matt Keys <mk6032 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>  Yeah, have fun...
>>>> Have fun trying to keep track of who's behind the IP in each
>>>> transaction... have fun trying to "regulate" a peer-to-peer network with no
>>>> central authority. Downloading copyrighted material using bittorrent has
>>>> been deemed illegal and has been "regulated" by various authorities... does
>>>> it still happen? Do the authorities know exactly how often this happens,
>>>> from where, to/from whom?
>>>> The usual political fear mongering won't work. I think what's happening
>>>> is that governments are starting to wrap their heads around this gigantic
>>>> problem -- "how the hell are we going to continue business as usual if this
>>>> really takes off worldwide?"
>>>> This guy quoted on the cnbc article has the right idea, but he's
>>>> thinking about it in the wrong direction : "If the euro does go belly up
>>>> the German authorities could potentially still collect tax if everyone
>>>> started using the bitcoin - that's a good example of German
>>>> forward-thinking!" -- http://www.cnbc.com/id/100971898 . If the Euro
>>>> goes "belly up" nobody is going to give a shit about German taxes. They're
>>>> going to dump their Euro money, as fast as possible, to bitcoin and another
>>>> forms of money. Think Cyprus crisis v2.0 on an exponential scale.
>>>> On 08/21/2013 04:21 PM, Stephen Kraus wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, guess what it means.
>>>>> You have to report any profit you make from Bitcoin on your taxes.
>>>>> Have fun!
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Tyler Mittan <
>>>>> flashbatmanquestion at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Looks like Bitcoin is being recognized as "private money" by Germany:
>>>>> http://www.cnbc.com/id/100971898
>>>>> For those that don't take Austrian economics seriously, notice the
>>>>> name drop of F.A. Hayek.
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