[Chugalug] Jelly bean

Chad Smith chad78 at gmail.com
Fri Oct 12 15:20:33 UTC 2012

And a side note - I love it when people justify the lack of features on a
device - be it an Apple fanboy justifying the lack of Flash on iOS, or the
lack of a flash on the iPhone camera, or expandable storage or HDMI out on
any iOS device... Or a Linux fanboy explaining why it is better for
application installation to be difficult and confusing.

The fact is, someone suggested that the Nexus should be the "go to device"
for everyone.

No - it shouldn't.  And I have listed reasons why.

You may not need those features - but others do.  There are things the
Nexus 7 doesn't have that other devices do have.  Both devices that cost
the same amount and have just as much Western Big Name support behind them,
and devices that cost a lot less but don't have the sense of security of
being associated with an easy-to-pronounce name brand.

Not to mention devices that have the Western backing and more features and
cost more.

Choice is good.  And there are plenty of reasons to choose other devices
than the Nexus.

*- Chad W. Smith*

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't have 43 tablets - but I do have more than one.  6 tablets (and an
> iPod Touch) - that's not counting the ones I have had and have sold.  Those
> are just the ones I have currently.
> HDMI is hardly a novelty. I have used it for real-world reasons on
> numerous occasions.  Making a presentation, for example.  Watching your
> Netflix at someone else's house on their HDTV, for another.  Playing multi
> player video games on a big screen with Bluetooth controllers...
> Cloud based storage is useful, yes, but not for installing applications.
>  And, yes, I have filled up more than one device's on-board storage with
> nothing but applications.  No media, no documents - just apps.
> And even if most devices don't have the features I listed - that doesn't
> mean they aren't still reasons to not pick the Nexus.  And, you are right,
> not all cheap tablets have those features - maybe not even most - but in
> the last 2 months I've either bought or helped someone else buy 3 tablets
> each under $100 - that had all of those features - USB OTG, MicroSD,
> HDMI,etc..  (One of the tablets didn't have a rear facing camera.)
> As far as the operating system goes...  The upgrade process has been
> hit-or-miss, not just for the cheap tablets - but for all the devices I've
> had.  My $200+ Acer Iconia was over 6 months delayed from getting ICS, and
> I don't think it will ever get an official JellyBean upgrade.
> But - at less than $100 (sometimes less than $70) I could buy one device
> now with ICS, and in a year whenever Iced Latte or Snickerdoodle or
> Birthday Cake comes out - whatever the next Android update is called...  I
> could buy another one, with a faster CPU and other features...  And still
> have spent LESS than I would have spent on a Nexus 7.  And I'd still have
> my original device.  Or I could sell it and use that money towards the next
> version.
> *- Chad W. Smith*
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:45 AM, C A <basic2point0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Those really cheap tablets rarely come with all (or most) of those
>> features. They also come with an extremely butchered version of Android and
>> they can't usually be upgraded to a newer version due to the old technology
>> they are built with.
>> Nook and Kindle use a very bad interface for people who are used to
>> smartphones or the default UI of Android. Very few tablets have rear facing
>> cameras - they're tablets, not phones, they're made for a different purpose
>> and because of their larger size, they're not exactly something that you
>> lug around just to take pictures.
>> Expandable memory is not that big of a deal anymore, since most mobile
>> users have already moved on to cloud based storage. It's cheap, its
>> convenient, it doesn't need to be removed or connected to another machine
>> everytime you need to transfer files. It also doesn't wear out after a
>> limited amount of read/write cycles.
>> A lot of cheap tablets don't include HDMI out (or video out of any kind).
>> Because they're tablets. And they're cheap. People don't buy a cheap tablet
>> to output video, they buy it as a novelty because its cheap.
>> OTG USB is not supported by a lot of devices, because no one wants to
>> write or include the drivers. I'm not really sure why that is, as it would
>> be useful. However, with the Nexus 7 running a more pure form of Android
>> than a Kindle, Nook or Chinese knock-off, you'll have a better chance of
>> making that happen.
>> If it helps, I have a stack of 43 tablets of various sizes and
>> manufacturers, some popular brands and some extremely cheap ones,  that I
>> actually looked over before replying.
>>  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>    - No expandable memory (MicroSD card slot)
>>>    - No HDMI out (no video out of any kind)
>>>    - No rear facing camera
>>>    - No OTG USB (at least not out of the box)
>>> Those really cheap tablets you mentioned come with most, if not all, of
>>> those features.
>>> The Nook HD has a higher resolution screen and MicroSD card slot and
>>> HDMI out (but no camera - either side)
>>> The Kindle Fire has HDMI out
>>> There are PLENTY of reasons why the Nexus 7 isn't the "go to" tablet for
>>> everyone.
>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Lee Walker <mrscumbagtoyou at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> I can't see why a nexus 7 isn't just the go-to device for everyone.
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