[Chugalug] BFL Single

Eric Wolf ebwolf at gmail.com
Sat Nov 10 04:38:59 UTC 2012


Here's the link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121016551991

Won't work because of the delivery delay at BFL. It's about two months on
the BitForce SHA256.

-Eric



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Eric B. Wolf                           720-334-7734





On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can you send me a link to your auction?  I can't find it on ebay
> (searching completed listings or active).
>
> I ask because I want to copy it so I can sell one for $749 and then order
> it from Butterfly Labs for $599 and have it sent to the winner.
>
> *- Chad W. Smith*
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> FYI: I just sold it for $749+shipping on eBay.
>>
>> -Eric
>>
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>> Eric B. Wolf                           720-334-7734
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Chad,
>>> With the prices of the Jalapeno you should be able to make the entire
>>> purchase price back in a few months, maybe less if you get it before the
>>> difficulty goes insane.  ASICs are going to be a huge game changer in
>>> bitcoin mining, just as much as moving from CPU to GPU mining was.  The
>>> beauty of the Jalapeno is its super simple to operate, silent, and draws
>>> less power than charging your mobile phone.
>>> It actually draws 4.5 watts of power and BFL states you can power it
>>> from any USB 2.0 computer with only a single USB plug (not like the old
>>> dual headed dongles of optical drives long gone). They have been focusing
>>> on their mining front-end called EasyMiner which, well, makes mining using
>>> their hardware easy. :)
>>>
>>> The Jalapeno was specifically designed for new folks to get into mining
>>> with little cost and risk, and without the complications of a huge mining
>>> rig like I have. Everyone has also been calling the thing a "Coffee Warmer"
>>> since you can set a cup of coffee on the thing and keep it warm.  Its also
>>> going to pretty small so you can stuff it in your laptop bag, and simply
>>> plug it in whenever you are wanting to mine, anywhere you happen to be.
>>>
>>> If you want to take a step a bit larger than the Jalapeno, but not as
>>> big as a SC Single, BFL is introducing the yet-to-be-named "Mini Single"
>>> which is half the power of the SC Single, and half the price as well.
>>>
>>> So the TLDR: Yes, the jalapeno is an excellent choice for someone who
>>> wants to get into mining with no experience.  There is a good chance you
>>> will make your money back in as little as 3 months or so.
>>>
>>> Heres some links:
>>>
>>> https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/16-Announcement-BFL-ASIC-Release-specifications
>>>
>>>
>>> https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/251-More-Jalapeno-Pictures-amp-Shipping-Update
>>>
>>> https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/190-More-board-pics
>>>
>>> https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content.php/125-BFL-ASIC-Update
>>>
>>>
>>> https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content.php/121-ASIC-Products-will-carry-a-lifetime-warranty
>>>
>>> Hope that helps!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I tried bitcoin mining a couple years back, and I don't think I ever
>>>> got a single bitcoin - I didn't have any dedicated hardware and at the hash
>>>> rate I was getting, I was losing money just in the power rate alone.
>>>>
>>>> That said - in your opinion - do you think getting a Jalapeno would be
>>>> worth it for the noob bitcoin miner?
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't expect to make a profit in a month or anything, but
>>>> eventually - as in well less than a year.
>>>>
>>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eric,
>>>>> No offense intended on my offer.  I have been mining a long time, and
>>>>> keeping up with the mining trends. I have some ASIC hardware (a few pieces
>>>>> :) ) pre-ordered from BFL since the day the started taking pre-orders.  I
>>>>> purchase mining hardware with a strict ROI figure in mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Theres a good chance the person you bought the single from replaced
>>>>> the fan with a larger, higher CFM unit.  That seems to be the trend on the
>>>>> FPGAs (especially folks using some of the beta firmwares BFL releases).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can sell that Single for $700 bucks on ebay, that might be the
>>>>> best bet.  If I were you, I would try do a trade-in for an ASIC single, and
>>>>> just find some way of mining the one you have until BFL asks you to send
>>>>> your old one in.  They are giving full value on the trade even if you
>>>>> weren't the original buyer.  Thats a sweet deal in itself. I'm not sure if
>>>>> you heard, but they have "increased" the hash rate of the  SC singles to 60
>>>>> GHash.
>>>>> At the current difficulty and current MT. Gox prices, 850 MHash is
>>>>> netting around $2.82 per day (about $85 per month). Theres a good chance
>>>>> you will be able to mine the difference in trade in prices for one of their
>>>>> SC Singles if you can bear the noise for a few months.
>>>>> With BFL's new production lines they have been bragging about, and
>>>>> being able to produce 500 units per day, the network is going to see some
>>>>> massive increases in hashing power.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My plan was to mine and trade up to the SC... But the Single's 32dB
>>>>>> spec is way off. I'm reading close to 60dBC and 50dBA at normal operation.
>>>>>> Since the thing needs to be tethered to a computer, I can't stash it
>>>>>> anywhere out of ear-shot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll just sell it on ebay where the Singles are hovering around $750.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Eric B. Wolf                           720-334-7734
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a trade in deal if you plan on getting one of the SC models
>>>>>>> - http://www.butterflylabs.com/bitforce-sc-release-notes/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Not the Jalapeno)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Chad Smith <chad78 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I to understand that the sole purpose of these computers is
>>>>>>>> BitCoin mining?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *- Chad W. Smith*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eric,
>>>>>>>>> The ASICs were first announced to be shipping late October, but
>>>>>>>>> that date has slipped due to the chip manufacturers.  BFL is expecting to
>>>>>>>>> ship late November, and they have promised to have every single pre-order
>>>>>>>>> up to Nov. 1st shipped by the end of December.  They have also stated they
>>>>>>>>> have paid for a bullet run production of 20k chips, and they have their
>>>>>>>>> lines ready to produce 500 units per day once they receive the chips.  So,
>>>>>>>>> within 45 to 60 days, the current BFL singles (FPGA) will be pretty much
>>>>>>>>> worthless as anyone can pickup a Jalepeno for $149 that will hash at 5.5
>>>>>>>>> times the speed of the current FPGA singles.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, once they hit the market, the old singles will essentially be
>>>>>>>>> worthless since a jalapeno is multitudes faster, multitudes cheaper, runs
>>>>>>>>> silent, and only consumes about 5 watts of power.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your best bet is to just mine with the single you have now, try to
>>>>>>>>> recover as much as you can from the purchase price you gave, and then once
>>>>>>>>> the asics hit (which will skyrocket difficulty) turn off the old single
>>>>>>>>> since the 800 mhash wont generate enough btc worth the electricity costs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thats why I am offering you the hosted solution.  If you are not
>>>>>>>>> happy with the noise, I can mine with it on my current rig and give you
>>>>>>>>> some of the profits.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Other than that, I can offer you about $150 bucks for it since
>>>>>>>>> thats about all the money I will make in the 2 months before the insane
>>>>>>>>> difficulty rise makes 800 mhash worthless. Not to mention we're only about
>>>>>>>>> 25-ish days away from the block reward halving, which has the potential to
>>>>>>>>> reduce your profits by 50%.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For how many months have the BFL ASIC singles been "shipping next
>>>>>>>>>> month"? And if you ordered now, where will you be in the queue when (if?)
>>>>>>>>>> they finally ship?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  -Eric
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=-
>>>>>>>>>> Eric B. Wolf                           720-334-7734
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Lynn Dixon <boodaddy at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Eric,
>>>>>>>>>>> With BFL asics shipping in the next 30 days, you will have a
>>>>>>>>>>> hard time selling that single for 100 bucks. The asic jalapeño will do 4.5
>>>>>>>>>>> ghash silently using about 5 watts of power and it sells for 149 right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In would be willing to host your single on my dedicated mining
>>>>>>>>>>> rig and share profits with you. I have solid power and network and would
>>>>>>>>>>> cover all electricity and cooling costs as well as provide the host rig for
>>>>>>>>>>> the mining software.
>>>>>>>>>>> We could create a joint pool account and both share the login
>>>>>>>>>>> for it to avoid ambiguity and split the btc at a determined rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If your interested in doing this let me know and we can discuss
>>>>>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>>>>> Boodaddy at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2012 6:36 PM, "Eric Wolf" <ebwolf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Anyone want a BFL Single? I just got it off eBay but even with
>>>>>>>>>>>> new fans, it's louder than I want in my workspace. I'm running autotune on
>>>>>>>>>>>> it right now to see how fast it runs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to get $700 for it, shipping included.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric B. Wolf                           720-334-7734
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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