[Chugalug] Richard Stallman and open source

Rod-Lists rod-lists at epbfi.com
Sat Dec 15 16:31:53 UTC 2012


I think stephen was engaging farce to make a point.

----- rdflowers <base at chalice.us> wrote:
> So, we should be alarmed because of your belief as to what his fantasy is.
> 
> He and you have incompatible dreams. oh
> 
> 
> ----- Message from ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com ---------
>      Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:05:12 -0500
>      From: Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group  
> <chugalug at chugalug.org>
>   Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Richard Stallman and open source
>        To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group  
> <chugalug at chugalug.org>
> 
> 
> > DOOOOOOOOM!
> >
> > Film at 11
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM, DaWorm <daworm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> There is no way RMS affects us TODAY.  But if he gets his way, THEN we
> >> would all be affected.
> >> On Dec 14, 2012 8:59 PM, "rdflowers" <base at chalice.us> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Stephen,
> >>>
> >>> There is no way that RMS affects you, UNLESS this code of yours isn't
> >>> fully yours but you would like to incorporate someone else's code in your
> >>> own without fulfilling their license terms.
> >>>
> >>> You wouldn't do that, would you?
> >>>
> >>> I still don't see what some find to be unclear -- maybe just because it
> >>> just isn't convenient to them that things are as they are?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Message from daworm at gmail.com ---------
> >>>     Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:13:30 -0500
> >>>     From: DaWorm <daworm at gmail.com>
> >>> Reply-To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group <
> >>> chugalug at chugalug.org>
> >>>  Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Richard Stallman and open source
> >>>       To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group <
> >>> chugalug at chugalug.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com
> >>>> >wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  I don't think making money off your code will ever be an issue,
> >>>>> companies
> >>>>> hire you to program, what code you use to do it is less of there concern
> >>>>> beyond maybe which language you use.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> I write embedded systems code.  I control hardware via software, and the
> >>>> hardware is trivial to copy.  While my company might continue to sell
> >>>> that
> >>>> hardware even if my software were to be free to the world, for a little
> >>>> while, it wouldn't be long before someone else would copy the whole lot
> >>>> and
> >>>> go into competition with us.  RMS thinks that's a grand idea.  When some
> >>>> Chinese knockoff made by nearly slave labor undercuts our prices by 50%
> >>>> though, it won't be long before I'm out of a job.  They spent a couple of
> >>>> days copying the PCB, an hour or so figuring out how to compile my code,
> >>>> and !bam! they're in business.  So the months, and sometimes years it has
> >>>> taken me to develop a product is now copied in a matter of days.  I'm
> >>>> sorry, that's not the kind of world that rewards innovation.
> >>>>
> >>>> We all know its a fools errand to ask programmers to work for free, but
> >>>>
> >>>>> Stallman has a point: Companies shouldn't be allowed to copyright
> >>>>> individual bits of codes, a whole program? Sure, but copyrighting
> >>>>> individual lines and statements is like copyrighting the English
> >>>>> language
> >>>>> sentence by sentence.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> If I come up with a sort routine that is a thousand times faster than any
> >>>> other out there, I (or my employer) darn well better be able to copyright
> >>>> that, and not just the whole program that makes use of it.  However, it
> >>>> usually isn't copyright that provides that protection, it is patents.
> >>>>  And
> >>>> software patents are a whole 'nother kettle of fish.  I would agree that
> >>>> all the bullshit about copyrighting "look and feel" needs to go.  But
> >>>> truly
> >>>> novel algorithms and methodologies deserve some form of protection.  The
> >>>> problem lately is the definition of "novel" has gotten pretty sloppy.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jeff.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- End message from daworm at gmail.com -----
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> R. D. Flowers, Chattanooga, TN, USA
> >>> http://chalice.us/poe/
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