[Chugalug] Richard Stallman and open source

rdflowers base at chalice.us
Sat Dec 15 16:30:00 UTC 2012


So, we should be alarmed because of your belief as to what his fantasy is.

He and you have incompatible dreams. oh


----- Message from ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com ---------
     Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:05:12 -0500
     From: Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com>
Reply-To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group  
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  Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Richard Stallman and open source
       To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group  
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> DOOOOOOOOM!
>
> Film at 11
>
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM, DaWorm <daworm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There is no way RMS affects us TODAY.  But if he gets his way, THEN we
>> would all be affected.
>> On Dec 14, 2012 8:59 PM, "rdflowers" <base at chalice.us> wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen,
>>>
>>> There is no way that RMS affects you, UNLESS this code of yours isn't
>>> fully yours but you would like to incorporate someone else's code in your
>>> own without fulfilling their license terms.
>>>
>>> You wouldn't do that, would you?
>>>
>>> I still don't see what some find to be unclear -- maybe just because it
>>> just isn't convenient to them that things are as they are?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Message from daworm at gmail.com ---------
>>>     Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:13:30 -0500
>>>     From: DaWorm <daworm at gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group <
>>> chugalug at chugalug.org>
>>>  Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Richard Stallman and open source
>>>       To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group <
>>> chugalug at chugalug.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I don't think making money off your code will ever be an issue,
>>>>> companies
>>>>> hire you to program, what code you use to do it is less of there concern
>>>>> beyond maybe which language you use.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I write embedded systems code.  I control hardware via software, and the
>>>> hardware is trivial to copy.  While my company might continue to sell
>>>> that
>>>> hardware even if my software were to be free to the world, for a little
>>>> while, it wouldn't be long before someone else would copy the whole lot
>>>> and
>>>> go into competition with us.  RMS thinks that's a grand idea.  When some
>>>> Chinese knockoff made by nearly slave labor undercuts our prices by 50%
>>>> though, it won't be long before I'm out of a job.  They spent a couple of
>>>> days copying the PCB, an hour or so figuring out how to compile my code,
>>>> and !bam! they're in business.  So the months, and sometimes years it has
>>>> taken me to develop a product is now copied in a matter of days.  I'm
>>>> sorry, that's not the kind of world that rewards innovation.
>>>>
>>>> We all know its a fools errand to ask programmers to work for free, but
>>>>
>>>>> Stallman has a point: Companies shouldn't be allowed to copyright
>>>>> individual bits of codes, a whole program? Sure, but copyrighting
>>>>> individual lines and statements is like copyrighting the English
>>>>> language
>>>>> sentence by sentence.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If I come up with a sort routine that is a thousand times faster than any
>>>> other out there, I (or my employer) darn well better be able to copyright
>>>> that, and not just the whole program that makes use of it.  However, it
>>>> usually isn't copyright that provides that protection, it is patents.
>>>>  And
>>>> software patents are a whole 'nother kettle of fish.  I would agree that
>>>> all the bullshit about copyrighting "look and feel" needs to go.  But
>>>> truly
>>>> novel algorithms and methodologies deserve some form of protection.  The
>>>> problem lately is the definition of "novel" has gotten pretty sloppy.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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