[Chugalug] Richard Stallman and open source

Stephen Kraus ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com
Sat Dec 15 16:05:12 UTC 2012


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On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM, DaWorm <daworm at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is no way RMS affects us TODAY.  But if he gets his way, THEN we
> would all be affected.
> On Dec 14, 2012 8:59 PM, "rdflowers" <base at chalice.us> wrote:
>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> There is no way that RMS affects you, UNLESS this code of yours isn't
>> fully yours but you would like to incorporate someone else's code in your
>> own without fulfilling their license terms.
>>
>> You wouldn't do that, would you?
>>
>> I still don't see what some find to be unclear -- maybe just because it
>> just isn't convenient to them that things are as they are?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Message from daworm at gmail.com ---------
>>     Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:13:30 -0500
>>     From: DaWorm <daworm at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group <
>> chugalug at chugalug.org>
>>  Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Richard Stallman and open source
>>       To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group <
>> chugalug at chugalug.org>
>>
>>
>>  On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  I don't think making money off your code will ever be an issue,
>>>> companies
>>>> hire you to program, what code you use to do it is less of there concern
>>>> beyond maybe which language you use.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I write embedded systems code.  I control hardware via software, and the
>>> hardware is trivial to copy.  While my company might continue to sell
>>> that
>>> hardware even if my software were to be free to the world, for a little
>>> while, it wouldn't be long before someone else would copy the whole lot
>>> and
>>> go into competition with us.  RMS thinks that's a grand idea.  When some
>>> Chinese knockoff made by nearly slave labor undercuts our prices by 50%
>>> though, it won't be long before I'm out of a job.  They spent a couple of
>>> days copying the PCB, an hour or so figuring out how to compile my code,
>>> and !bam! they're in business.  So the months, and sometimes years it has
>>> taken me to develop a product is now copied in a matter of days.  I'm
>>> sorry, that's not the kind of world that rewards innovation.
>>>
>>> We all know its a fools errand to ask programmers to work for free, but
>>>
>>>> Stallman has a point: Companies shouldn't be allowed to copyright
>>>> individual bits of codes, a whole program? Sure, but copyrighting
>>>> individual lines and statements is like copyrighting the English
>>>> language
>>>> sentence by sentence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If I come up with a sort routine that is a thousand times faster than any
>>> other out there, I (or my employer) darn well better be able to copyright
>>> that, and not just the whole program that makes use of it.  However, it
>>> usually isn't copyright that provides that protection, it is patents.
>>>  And
>>> software patents are a whole 'nother kettle of fish.  I would agree that
>>> all the bullshit about copyrighting "look and feel" needs to go.  But
>>> truly
>>> novel algorithms and methodologies deserve some form of protection.  The
>>> problem lately is the definition of "novel" has gotten pretty sloppy.
>>>
>>> Jeff.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ----- End message from daworm at gmail.com -----
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>>
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